Bin Laden - newest "boogeyman" or a genuine international threat

Jffal

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We keep reading about this skunk and his secretive global Fu Manchu style ties to just about every single Islamic extremist action around the world. Below is the latest report, from the always reliable AP news. Do ya all think Bin Laden and his network are genuine threats that need to be deactivated...or might he simply be a thickheaded chap demonized by international press and governments that want to provide us all with the next Evil One to hate?
Jeff
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  Philippine Rebels, Bin Laden Linked
By Jim Gomez
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, June 20, 2000; 2:41 p.m. EDT
MANILA, Philippines –– Muslim guerrillas recently received $3 million from suspected international terrorist Osama bin Laden to buy new weapons, a top military official said Tuesday.
Armed forces vice chief of staff Lt. Gen. Jose Calimlim said bin Laden sent the money through a rebel emissary who received the funds in a Middle Eastern country last month.
Calimlim, who also heads the military's intelligence service, said the separatist Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels are planning to purchase arms, including anti-aircraft and anti-tank weapons, from North Korea. He said the rebels met a North Korean official in a hotel in Malaysia last month to discuss a possible arms deal, Calimlim said.
The Philippines and North Korea are planning to establish diplomatic relations as early as next month. For many years, Manila refused to forge ties with the North Korean government because of suspicions it had backed Filipino Marxist guerrillas.
"While undertaking emergency procurement, they don't want to talk peace and they are waiting for an opportunity to strike again," Calimlim said in a radio interview.
The group's spokesman Eid Kabalu denied Calimlim's allegation.
The Moro Islamic Liberation Front is the larger of two rebel groups battling the government for an independent Islamic state in the impoverished southern Philippine region.
On Monday, the rebels indefinitely postponed peace talks scheduled to resume June 28 because of a continuing military offensive against their forces.
President Joseph Estrada gave the guerrillas and government negotiators until June 30 to reach a peace deal.
Calimlim did not say where he'd learned of the alleged arms purchase, but said the military was working with international law enforcement agencies to monitor foreign financiers of the guerrillas.
Bin Laden, a Saudi-born millionaire who is believed to be hiding in Afghanistan, is wanted in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 244 people.
Kabalu said the Manila government is trying to link the Moro Islamic Liberation Front to terrorists to blacken their image.
Bin Laden funded the construction of mosques and Muslim religious schools in the southern Philippines in the 1980s but has never given any money to his group, Kabalu said.
Government negotiators have proposed a political settlement that would expand an existing Muslim autonomous region in Mindanao, homeland of the country's Muslim minority.
The military has seized more than 20 Moro Islamic Liberation Front camps since launching an offensive two months ago that has triggered the worst fighting in the southern Philippines in more than 25 years.
 
I understand that Bin Ladin is extremely sick and on a dialysis machine at this time. IMO I think he is a poster child boogy man for new anti-terrorist laws which will likely then be targeted at anyone who opposes the actions of this goverment.
 
Mostly booger-man.

There have been various groups of radical Muslims, Hindus, Leftists, Fascists, Anarchists, whatever, operating somewhere in the world for a long, long time. Some of them are more dangerous than others, but Bin Laden is not the most serious of them by a long shot. He's just a convenient spooky looking guy who poses with his AK 74 a lot so as to scare the flock.

"Baaaaaadddd Maaaaaaaann, Baaaaaaaddddd Maaaaaaaann! Protect us! We don't care if we have to give up our rights. Baaaaaaadddd Maaaaaaaaaaann!"
 
I think ben Laden is both a real terrorist and a handy boogy man for the administration to use in justification of more martial law.

Interesting that Yassir Arafat, who could well be ben Laden's mentor and idol in terrorism, is welcomed by Klinton, her husband and Albright et all.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
They're taking him seriously here ... he's apparently made vague threats about the Sydney 2000 Olympic Games. The pollies are playing it down ("Never happen here") because, obviously, they don't want people to stay away. Bet the SAS guys were interested, though.

B
 
Bin Laden is a bit of both as stated above. However those who think like him are a real real threat. When they think that they will be able to carry out attacks with a reasonable chance of not getting caught the attacks that occur in Indonesian, Philipines, South Lebanon, Kashmir, Dagestan, Nigeria, South Africa and so forth will start here. Cross your fingers and pray for LE to be on top of it.
 
I think that he is definately a very bad guy, mostly because of his popularity in the extremist world. That is Clintons fault. Think about it:

A little while ago the Gov. decides that Bin Laden was the mastermind behind some major terroist incidents, including blowing up a Marine barracks and the attack on the Sears towers, so they decide that he needs to be taken care of. Keep in mind that at this point in time most people in the world have never even heard of this guy.

So what do we do? Do we just shoot him quietly? No, we launced millions of dollars of cruise missles into Sudan and Afganistan. We blew up some camps and a pharmacutical factory (Suspected of producing chemical weapons, latter shown not to have done anything wrong). Of course we manage not to kill him.

So what do we do? We turn him into an instant hero to every extremist who thinks that we are the great satan. "Wow, look at Osama, he is so important that Bill Clinton shoots millions of dollars of missles at him." So now, even if he dies he will always be a martyr.

Just another reason to think that Bill is a moron on foreign policy.
 
In Bubba's defense, he hardly pioneered the pyrotechnic tactic of launching big budget Hollywood style munitions and strategy against tangoes - both Reagan and Bush racked up their own multimillion dollar raids against extremists over the years.

The simple, quiet methods of elimination are the most efficient tactics but probably rub many "leaders" the wrong way (and you can't get as much press for covert kills).

Israel would appear to have settled on a combination of covert and overt tit for tat operations against their enemies.
Jeff
 
Bam Bam, What makes terrorist so scary is they usually don't care if they get caught. It makes them almost impossible to stop. Freezin1
 
Ya'll ever seen the movie "Wag the Dog"????
Git my point???

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!

Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Man killing is nasty business"---Finn Aggard
 
Bam Bam: I hate to say it but, I really don't think that anyone can stop it. I might be unpopular for saying it but, I think the FBI and CIA must be doing one hell of a job to keep things as realitivly sane as they are. Freezin1

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He would be a small time guy if we hadn't made him an international hero/criminal.
It is rather common for people in parts of the world to now name their children after him. We have made him bigger than he ever should have been!
We should have retired him before it ever got to this point. However, the adminstration needed him for reasons.

Something to rememeber.
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.
I was told this years ago when I had a chance to meet an Afghanistani freedom fighter. It's a powerful point and one I have not forgoten.

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He who dares wins.
NRA Life Memeber
 
Sometimes it happens that when two groups are in conflict (for instance the nazis and communists during WWII) both groups are repugnant from an objective standpoint. At one time I too was fooled by the Afghan freedom fighter mystique. Since then it has become apparent that conflict was between two groups who both deserved to lose. This is not the exaggeration you may think. What is most dangerous about the terrorist is that he is a hero in his own mind/cell/groupthink unit. The communists and moslem fundamentalists both have the "True Believer Complex" described by Eric Hoffer.

Consider this:

Communism: Conquer the world.
Islam: It is a specific Koranic injunction to conquer the world.

Nazism:Slavs/Jews are subhumans to be enslaved or killed.
Islam:Jews(Yahudi)/Christians(Nasrini)/Sabians/Magians are Zimmi who are suffered to live so long as they pay the Jizya to islamic master-class. These groups constitute a helotage in the classical world of Dar-al-Islam.

Islam:Hindus (Mushriks), Sikhs, Animists, Qadainis, Bahais, Buddhists, Atheists, and non-submissive Jews and Christians are to be killed or enslaved. They are specifically deprived of RKBA, swords back in the day.

Nazism: Ein Folk, Ein Fuerher
Monarchism: King by Divine Right
Islam:The Khalifate (Single Islamic Ruler such as an Ottoman Emporer) is to be established as a nexus to make war on the Dar-al-Harb, kufr, non-muslim. The Khalifa maintains legitimacy through enforcement of Koranic law and support of jihad. This doctrine is a variation of Divine Right.

In the American/English political heritage the Divine Right fallacy was jettisoned with the 1689 English Bill of Rights that was a condition of ascension by William and Mary. Much of our own BoR is almost verbatim.

Communism:Punishment of dissenters or converts by imprisonment and death.
Islam:Those who apostate shall be killed, and are killed. Marriage by a moslem woman to a non-moslem man is forbidden. Women who make this mistake are often killed by their families.

Communism and Nazism:Thought control
Islam:It is forbidden to shake the faith of a moslem. Death is the punishment. Missionaries are under threat of death. Books are proscribed and authors/translators threatened with death and killed. Logic and critical reasoning are more strongly discouraged than you can imagine.

Communism/Nazism: Raised kidnapped children from other countries or in parentless boarding schools to encourage ideological zeal and brainwashing.
Islam: Devshirme enforced on Serbs to create the Janissaries. In modern times the NIF regime of Sudan kidnaps children for training as soldiers called muharileen.

There's more, but that's enough for now. None of this is bigotry nor secret information. its in the books and on the web for those who know how/where to look.

Freezn1, like you I commend the LEA for the good job they have done till the present. Let's hope it continues. But I fear the "groupthink effect" will be well nigh unstoppable. Let's be prepared.


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