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Biden Says He's Banning Assault Weapons and Magazines...
- Thread starter Skans
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Well, in September 2023, President Biden established the first-ever White House Office of Gun Violence Prevention, overseen by Vice President Kamala Harris.
That should tell us something.
P.S. I think Vice President Kamala Harris is also in charge of the southern border.
P.P.S. But please don't ASSUME, just because I posted that I am a Biden supporter---pretty much just stirring the pot.
That should tell us something.
P.S. I think Vice President Kamala Harris is also in charge of the southern border.
P.P.S. But please don't ASSUME, just because I posted that I am a Biden supporter---pretty much just stirring the pot.
He says that all the time. The 1994 ban was pretty much the only lasting legacy he has that he can safely brag about.
So of course, he's going to roll it out like a dinosaur band rolls out their one hit from 1977 as an encore when they're performing on a cruise ship somewhere.
The votes aren't there in either the House or the Senate.
So of course, he's going to roll it out like a dinosaur band rolls out their one hit from 1977 as an encore when they're performing on a cruise ship somewhere.
The votes aren't there in either the House or the Senate.
44caliberkid
New member
I have found gun owners who aren’t into semiautomatic rifles generally don’t care if they are banned. I’ve heard guys who bird and deer hunt say, “Nobody needs these weapons of war that are only for killing people.” After seeing the public bend over for Covid lock downs and all the arbitrary BS that went with that, if they aren’t coming for YOUR shot/ slug gun, the majority won’t care.
Biden says a lot of things. Rarely are any of them factual or accurate. He's been a career politician his entire working life, and as far as I know, never met a gun control proposal he disliked or objected to.
Personally I'd think he ought to ban cocaine at the White House before the looks at gun control again, but that's just me....
I've heard that too. There are gun owners who support the gun control movement, because the gun banners aren't going after the guns they personally own and use.
When you meet such folks, simply remind them that the gun banners aren't coming after their guns TODAY, and that they should look up Pastor Martin Niemoeller's work.
Personally I'd think he ought to ban cocaine at the White House before the looks at gun control again, but that's just me....
I’ve heard guys who bird and deer hunt say, “Nobody needs these weapons of war that are only for killing people.”
I've heard that too. There are gun owners who support the gun control movement, because the gun banners aren't going after the guns they personally own and use.
When you meet such folks, simply remind them that the gun banners aren't coming after their guns TODAY, and that they should look up Pastor Martin Niemoeller's work.
bamaranger
New member
hanging together
I have heard men, intelligent men, hunters and shooters, make the same comments, men who I thought would think better. I agree with 44AMP on this one, it is just a hop, skip and a jump to your autoloading bird gun, tube fed magazine pump, or your scoped big game rifle. And any handgun.
We must all stick together......."if it burns powder, I'm for it"......Elmer Keith.
On the other side, I have read that there are an estimated 25 million AR pattern rifles in circulation in the US, and some 20 million Glock pistols. And IL, who recently enacted a registration system, is not getting much participation in the program. While citizens are surprisingly compliant with much gov't flexing, it would take a heck of a program to reel in close to 50 million guns of just two types.
I have heard men, intelligent men, hunters and shooters, make the same comments, men who I thought would think better. I agree with 44AMP on this one, it is just a hop, skip and a jump to your autoloading bird gun, tube fed magazine pump, or your scoped big game rifle. And any handgun.
We must all stick together......."if it burns powder, I'm for it"......Elmer Keith.
On the other side, I have read that there are an estimated 25 million AR pattern rifles in circulation in the US, and some 20 million Glock pistols. And IL, who recently enacted a registration system, is not getting much participation in the program. While citizens are surprisingly compliant with much gov't flexing, it would take a heck of a program to reel in close to 50 million guns of just two types.
I’ve heard guys who bird and deer hunt say, “Nobody needs these weapons of war that are only for killing people.”
Not everybody follows the issues as closely as we do. Many of those people are misinformed, and the gun-control lobby is great at misinformation.
In the leadup to the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, we didn't have the internet. We got our news from the TV networks. Every time the ban came up, the reporter would have a picture or video on the screen behind them depicting someone shooting a machine gun in a theater like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Many people assumed the ban was just a ban on machine guns, so they didn't oppose it.
Biden himself sponsored and negotiated the bill. He was a big part of that perception and often mentioned machine guns.
Even worse, the other parts of that bill led to terrible consequences. Prison sentences for minor drug possession offenses skyrocketed, and so did the minority prison population. I find it very interesting that, in the age of calls for criminal justice reform, nobody has publicly questioned him about it.
stagpanther
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Well, of course my experience has been completely different on the question of "snowflake hunters" who oppose semi-automatics. The hunters I've known who oppose MSR's have never ever mentioned any aspect of gun control--it has always been more of a "anyone who uses them isn't manly enough or good enough to hunt with a 'real' rifle, and has to make up for it with a spray and pray semi auto."
44caliberkid
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“ Even worse, the other parts of that bill led to terrible consequences. Prison sentences for minor drug possession offenses skyrocketed, and so did the minority prison population. I find it very interesting that, in the age of calls for criminal justice reform, nobody has publicly questioned him about it.” Tom Servo
Kamala Harris did publicly question him about it in one of the early Democrat candidate debates. Then they canceled the Democrat primary, anointed Biden as king, and gave Kamala the VP slot to shut her up.
I find the Illinois situation interesting. Less than 2% compliance. 1600 registrations out of a possible 50,000- 60,000. And that doesn’t count home builds. And the state doesn’t know who has what, even with the FOID system. They are depending on owners to rat on themselves.
Kamala Harris did publicly question him about it in one of the early Democrat candidate debates. Then they canceled the Democrat primary, anointed Biden as king, and gave Kamala the VP slot to shut her up.
I find the Illinois situation interesting. Less than 2% compliance. 1600 registrations out of a possible 50,000- 60,000. And that doesn’t count home builds. And the state doesn’t know who has what, even with the FOID system. They are depending on owners to rat on themselves.
Not everybody follows the issues as closely as we do. Many of those people are misinformed, and the gun-control lobby is great at misinformation.
In the leadup to the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban, we didn't have the internet. We got our news from the TV networks. Every time the ban came up, the reporter would have a picture or video on the screen behind them depicting someone shooting a machine gun in a theater like Yugoslavia or Rwanda. Many people assumed the ban was just a ban on machine guns, so they didn't oppose it.
Biden himself sponsored and negotiated the bill. He was a big part of that perception and often mentioned machine guns.
The person who coined the term "assault rifle" was a professional anti-gunner named Josh Sugarmann. He started out trying to ban handguns, but by the late 80's that campaign had run out of steam, so he came up with a new approach to pep up his anti gun organization. From his paper, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America:
It will be a new topic in what has become to the press and public an “old” debate. Although handguns claim more than 20,000 lives a year, the issue of handgun restriction consistently remains a non-issue with the vast majority of legislators, the press, and public. .....Assault weapons—just like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearms—are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. [underlining added]
The upshot: It's easy to market bans on "Assault weapons" because they are scary looking, especially to people who don't know anything about guns. In other words, most voters.
The person who coined the term "assault rifle" was a professional anti-gunner named Josh Sugarmann.
No, sorry, he didn't. The person who coined the term "assault rifle" was Adolf Hitler, in 1944.
Because earlier in the war, when Germany was winning, Hitler had forbidden the development of new rifles as a "waste of resources", the German engineers working on the concept continued their work under the cover name of MP (maschinen pistole) the German term for submachine guns, development of which was not forbidden. When he found out about the "new rifles" Hitler was furious, but after having some demonstrated for him, changed his mind and became enthusiastic about them, renaming the MP-44 the Sturmgewehr.
Sturmgewehr translates to "assault rifle" in English.
After the war, the firearms community adopted the term "assault rifle" and defined it using the primary features found on the German gun. And those were Selective fire (semi AND full auto) box magazine fed, intermediate power cartridge. Other features like a straight line stock and separate pistol grip are common but not required to meet the definition of assault rifle.
What Sugermann did, after leaving NBC over some pickup trucks being rigged to blow up, was jump into the gun control "market" and while I don't know if he, personally, coined the term "assault weapon" or not, but he did push hard for its use in the media cynically aware that the similarity in terms would confuse the public into thinking assault weapons were machine guns and so getting restrictions and bans was made easier.
If it is an "assault weapon" and its a rifle, people who don't know (or care) about the correct definition call it an assault rifle.
By the definition if the 1994 federal law, assault weapons are semi automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns that possess features listed in that law.
Note that, SEMI AUTOMATIC. NO actual assault rifle is covered under that law. Not one. Under Federal law, assault rifles are machine guns, due to the capacity to fire full auto.
Sugarmann embraced and promoted deceptive and misleading terminology about firearms to advance his agenda, and isn't on my list of honorable opponents over gun control.
I have found gun owners who aren’t into semiautomatic rifles generally don’t care if they are banned. I’ve heard guys who bird and deer hunt say, “Nobody needs these weapons of war that are only for killing people.” After seeing the public bend over for Covid lock downs and all the arbitrary BS that went with that, if they aren’t coming for YOUR shot/ slug gun, the majority won’t care
Ehh, I'm sure those attitudes are held by some... but my experience is that most hunters (even ones who dont have an AR) tend to be "gun people," and most "gun people" are against any new bans. Note my qualifiers of "most," as in not "all." Of course this is culture and region specific, but growing up where I did in the 80s and 90s, almost no one in my circle of friends had a family that owned an AR or AK... we were hunters. But we were also shooters, and frequently took .22 rifles out for plinking tonstay sharp. A new gun was coveted. We (and our fathers) WERE gun people. Everyone generally agreed with the "cold dead hands" sign at the local country and hardware store. That Era is gone now. That local "country" store is owned aby someone of middle eastern descent. I dont say that disparagingly... but no one would have dreamed that even in 2000. Today, many more "gun people" own an AR or AK than did when I was growing up.
Of course this is culture and region specific. YMMV.
Gun laws for everyone but his kid.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
I am so confused why a party that is so soft on crime is obsessed with taking guns from law abiding citizens. Obviously legal gun owners commit crimes, but I suspect the majority of gun crimes are committed by people who already cannot legally own a gun. Makes one think this has less to do with safety and more to do with old fashion politics.
Kamala Harris did publicly question him about it in one of the early Democrat candidate debates.
She did, but take a look at her career as a DA and AG back in California. She was big on mandatory minimum sentences for minor drug offenses, and she was aggressive in defending the state's gun-control laws.
I don't see it happening in my lifetime. The 1994-2004 ban only passed by 1 vote in the house. In fact it failed by 1 vote with only a couple of minutes left to vote. I don't recall who, but a single congressman changed his vote at the last second.
And that ban didn't really ban much of anything. Cosmetic changes were made to the guns and NEW magazines had to be limited to 10 rounds. But there were literally millions of older magazines re-imported into this county and resold.
In 1994 rifles such as the AR-15 were uncommon. I didn't own one and I didn't know anyone who owned one. But I bought my 1st AR during the ban. Of course, it couldn't have a muzzle brake or bayonet lug. I had to buy used magazines, but they worked fine.
By 2004 when the ban ended, I didn't know anyone that didn't have an AR. The ban only sold the very rifles they tried to stop. And after 2004 sales have exploded. There are almost twice as many AR's out there as there are lever action 30-30's.
I don't see how they could ban the most common, most popular rifle in American history. You'd be surprised at how many people who consider themselves Liberals own them.
And that ban didn't really ban much of anything. Cosmetic changes were made to the guns and NEW magazines had to be limited to 10 rounds. But there were literally millions of older magazines re-imported into this county and resold.
In 1994 rifles such as the AR-15 were uncommon. I didn't own one and I didn't know anyone who owned one. But I bought my 1st AR during the ban. Of course, it couldn't have a muzzle brake or bayonet lug. I had to buy used magazines, but they worked fine.
By 2004 when the ban ended, I didn't know anyone that didn't have an AR. The ban only sold the very rifles they tried to stop. And after 2004 sales have exploded. There are almost twice as many AR's out there as there are lever action 30-30's.
I don't see how they could ban the most common, most popular rifle in American history. You'd be surprised at how many people who consider themselves Liberals own them.
I am so confused why a party that is so soft on crime is obsessed with taking guns from law abiding citizens.
Gimme an 'H'!
Gimme an 'Y'!
Gimme an 'P'!
Gimme an 'O'!
Gimme an 'C'!
Gimme an 'R'!
Gimme an 'I'!
Gimme an 'S'!
Gimme an 'Y'!
To quote somebody: 'If it wasn't for double standards they wouldn't have any.'