Hey all. I've heard rumors that a Mosin Nagant will get better groups if it's bayonet is fixed. Unfortunately I have no bayonet for mine so as wondering if anybody else had any data or experience to prove this rumor true or false. If it is better do ya think it applies to other old military rifles? Your thoughts, please.
Better groups with bayonet fixed?
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kawasakifreak77
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With mine groups didn't change much, but POI did.
It's all going to depend on the rifle, probably not...
That said, the Mosin-Nagant's sights were calibrated based on the bayonet being extended (according to "lore")- most will shoot high if it is not. Often a higher new front sight post or extension is installed, or the base of the rear slider is milled down to get the rifle to correct zero.
That said, the Mosin-Nagant's sights were calibrated based on the bayonet being extended (according to "lore")- most will shoot high if it is not. Often a higher new front sight post or extension is installed, or the base of the rear slider is milled down to get the rifle to correct zero.
madmo44mag
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I own several and some do and some don't.
All of my M44 shoot high and left with the bayo folded.
Adjusted the front sight and now they just shoots a little high.
I never worry about the elevation as that is easy to adjust for. I just get them shooting straight without the bayo and enjoy them.
If you want a higher front post for the pin type sight use a coffee straw over the pin and glue in place and on a blade type add silver solder and file the solder down.
All of my M44 shoot high and left with the bayo folded.
Adjusted the front sight and now they just shoots a little high.
I never worry about the elevation as that is easy to adjust for. I just get them shooting straight without the bayo and enjoy them.
If you want a higher front post for the pin type sight use a coffee straw over the pin and glue in place and on a blade type add silver solder and file the solder down.
Emory Bored
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Everybody has something cute to add.....I guess I'm no different. If the target is impaled on the bayonet the groups will be extremely tight 
madmo44mag
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I second that!
Mosin-Marauder
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Makes no difference in group size in the slightest. A slight POI variation if that.
chris in va
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I think it mainly applied to the M44 and not the 91/30.
Josh Smith
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Hello,
It does change the barrel harmonics. Some rifles respond better than others. It's not adjustable, of course, like a Browning BOSS, for example.
The bayonet will pull the barrel down a bit. Consider it's a long barrel with a 1/2lb weight hanging off it. It's going to sag a bit.
Long, thin, whippy barrels generally respond best by free-floating then installing a pressure bed, whether that pressure bed be spring-loaded as is the case with Lee-Enfields, or a bit of glass bedding as is often done on sporting rifles, or metal shims as used on some Finnish Mosins, or even rubberized cork, which is the stuff I believe in.
None of these will regulate the sights. As was said, you need to change sights out to do that.
Regards,
Josh
It does change the barrel harmonics. Some rifles respond better than others. It's not adjustable, of course, like a Browning BOSS, for example.
The bayonet will pull the barrel down a bit. Consider it's a long barrel with a 1/2lb weight hanging off it. It's going to sag a bit.
Long, thin, whippy barrels generally respond best by free-floating then installing a pressure bed, whether that pressure bed be spring-loaded as is the case with Lee-Enfields, or a bit of glass bedding as is often done on sporting rifles, or metal shims as used on some Finnish Mosins, or even rubberized cork, which is the stuff I believe in.
None of these will regulate the sights. As was said, you need to change sights out to do that.
Regards,
Josh
Crankylove
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My M44 keeps the same groups folded or unfolded, but point of impact changes.