best way to mount optics on 870 for HD?

getupatree

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I have the 870 6+1 style pump and it's not drilled/tapped for scope. I'd like to put a reflex sight or possibly a laser. Shoudl I drill and tap it or use something like a b-square? ANY help appreciated!

Also, I have #7 birdshot and #4 Buck in-hand and have a little of both in the magazine. Thinking about the new Remington 2/4 hybrid home defense load or maybe 00 buck. I like in a house and have other people with me in it.

Thanks!
 
About zero folks I know use optics on a HD shotgun.

Optics on a shotgun as as useful as a parachute on a submarine.

And lots of us don't put stuff needing batteries on shotguns either. Exception, lights. If that.

Instead, buy a messa ammo and go shoot it up. When the empty hulls get past your ankles, chances are you and your shotgun will be much more effective than with doodads bolted on.
 
you know what they say about opinions.... I am very familiar with my weapon and I do know in a HD scenario where I am awakened in a dark house and need to aim that some form of sighting system better than a bead is where I'd like to gain an advantage. You do still have to aim. Chuck Norris uses sights you know.
 
the best way is just not to do it. no offense, just saying. its a waste of money.


and you dont "aim" a shotgun, you point it. the bead isnt even a sight as some may think, its just an insticntual guide. if you get good enough with a bead you might find yourself wanting NOTHING on the barrel, at least with shot. i could see POSSIBLY using an optic with slugs, but I think slugs are a silly option for home defense. i can get 4-5" slug groupings easily at 60-70 yds when POINTING my bead sight shotgun, and this is with rapid fire successive shots. its an opinion thats been validated by real world use. the bead is the fastest option in my experiences, far and away. spend the money on a good light mount.


and not to be rude, but since you seem so intent on using an optic, and so assured of what they will do for you, you surely must have used one before. correct? how was that one mounted?

as for an HD load, I recommend simple 2 3/4" 00 buck, the tightest patterning stuff you can get, provided youre using a full stocked shotgun. which i hope you are, because a pistol grip or collapsible doodad isnt the best choice when living with loved ones as you need total control over accuracy to avoid errant/misplaced shots. those types of stocks can have their place, but if youre even remotely worried about the possibility of flier pellets hitting a loved one, you need all the help you can get and for that I recommend a traditional full stock or even a traditional full stock w. pistol grip.



as far as the opinions that you say everyone has, you'd do REAL WELL to trust that man's!!!
 
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you must have a really big home. I get about 6-8" out of my 590a1 from 25 yards with middle-of-the-road 00 buckshot, and I don't even have a modified barrel or chokes or anything...at 25 yds you're going to have a really, really tough time convincing anyone you used your weapon in self defense unless they're shooting at you. But if you discovered an intruder in your home, sleep in your eyes, still only half awake, are you going to wait to be shot? for that matter how good are those sights going to be when youre all groggy and half alert? every time i wake up in the middle of the night I think how bad it would suck to be in a life threatening situation that way. average persons only going to be 70 percent at best, and thats why I go with the bead sight, 3 simple steps : id threat- point- and click.


If you're dead set on sights, do this:

before you look into sights or optics or anything, take your gun and get 1 box each of 4-5 different brands of the best 2 3/4" buckshot you can find. Use 1-3 rds of each to make sure you avoid any flukes. Take pictures of each one and compare. I recommend Federal Flitecontrol tactical 00 buck (ammunitiontogo.com), Hornady TAP 00 buck, and Federal VitalShok with or without Flitewad. If you want a 4th and 5th option, try standard Remington 00 Buck and Winchester Supreme (NOT Super X, not Winchester "Military Grade", not Wolff, not Sellier & Bellot, not Federal Power Shok, not Rio, Noblesport, only exactly what I've recommended). I've tried a bunch of stuff, and for applications where tightness is the most desired effect, keep it limited to these. The Fiocchis ok too. You can find the Vital Shok at any Walmart I think.

Take them all out and Pattern test them @ 15 yards. Any more, and the self defense argument is flying out the window anyway, unless the guy has a gun aimed at you. Any less and it'll all be the same with good name brand ammo. And if hes out at 20-25 yds, if the patterns good at 15 yds its still going to man-sized tight at 25-30 with maybe 1 or 2 fliers. Select the tightest load out of that. Then decide if you need an optic or sight more than you need a simple light set up. If you do, I'd look at Tritium Ghost rings. They'll be cheaper than the optic, won't require batteries, WILL hold up to the abusive recoil of 12 gauge and will be easier to mount. I still hate em both in looks and the way they slow me down, but they do work for those who just must have sights on a weapon that wasnt ever really intended to have any.

Mesa tactical makes products that'll add a shellholder as well as a top-of-receiever rail, I'd look in that direction.

But I've put all of this to the test a long time ago and decided an optic would be money poorly spent.


to be honest, I'd forgo battery-powered optics on any weapon in a self defense context EXCEPT for a precision long range rifle (ACOG) because it introduces another variable that most people just shouldnt deal with in a life threatening situation. give me iron sights any day. theyre cheaper, theyre tougher, theyre easier and they dont quit. ever.
 
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Thanks Clown - or is it Mr Colostomy? I appreciate it. I definately need to pattern multiple ammo through it. I have only shot the white box winchesters and the wally world federals through it. I do get pretty good spread from my 18.5" barrell with imp cyl
 
its qweird. imp. cyl is supposed to be tighter than cylinder - i have plain cylinder and with the right ammo i get as tight a pattern as i really would want. i mean at that point youre just shooting a slug. lately for my pistol grip shotgun ive actually been into the looser stuff like sellier & bellot - then again i dont have a lot of loved ones in my house. heres what I STRONGLY recommend you acquire and test. Also trust this company - they sip fast and accurate everytime and have the best prices period the end :

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-ga-federal-le-tactical-full-power-9-pell-oo-buck/cName/12-gauge-buckshot

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-ga-federal-vitalshok-flitecontrol-9-pell-oo-buck/cName/12-gauge-buckshot

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-ga-hornady-le-tap-full-power-8-pellet-oo-buckshot/cName/12-gauge-buckshot


http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalog1/product_info.php/pName/25rds-12-gauge-remington-2-34-9-pellet-oo-buckshot/cName/12-gauge-buckshot



most anything else is only good for different applications than what you specify. particularly avoid the Winchester military grade, Super X, Wolf, Power-Shok and Sellier Bellot. I like that ammo with the exception of the Wolf...but for much different reasons. When precision counts, they are to be avoided.


if you do all this, hate the ghost rings and still want an optic, trust Mesa Tactical and make sure the optic you get can be trusted to be reliable and hold up to the recoil. I am still strongly against it though. If you want some slugs for the house, do yourself a favor and keep it limited to hollow points as their energy much faster than a solid nose bruiser like a Remington slugger. I advise against them but if you want some on hand, keep the purpose on your mind when you buy them. Hollow Point - precise defensive or hunting hits. Solid Nose - object destruction, penetration.
 
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About zero folks I know use optics on a HD shotgun.

Optics on a shotgun as as useful as a parachute on a submarine.

And lots of us don't put stuff needing batteries on shotguns either. Exception, lights. If that.

Instead, buy a messa ammo and go shoot it up. When the empty hulls get past your ankles, chances are you and your shotgun will be much more effective than with doodads bolted on.

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All the doodads in the world will not make you a better shot.

Shoot it until the hulls are up to your neck if that's what it takes .

And those Highly visible beads suck also . You'll be lookin at the bead instead of the target.

Shotgun "Fit" will help.
 
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