Best Introductory 1911

Banzai

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OK, I've got about $700 to spend. I want a nice 1911, one that I can eventually put all the bells and whistles on, but that's just fun to shoot for now. I'm thinking new, but I haven't ruled out any quality used models, either.
Please help me. The only things around here in that price range are the Springfield and the Colt, unless I want to drop 8 bills or more! Both feel good in my hand, and shoot about the same to me. Any comments on quality/reliability/modifiability?

Thanks

Tom


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Get a Series 70 Colt or a Springfield 1911A1,standard configuration. Forget all the add ons,bells,whistles,bikinis,and everything else.

Use the $$$$$ for that stuff on ammo and range fees,and shoot,shoot,shoot,and shoot some more until that little grip safety tang wears a callous on the web between your thumb and forefinger. A little blood wont hurt anything either.

You will find plenty of 1911 guys who will be happy to assist you with holsters,techniques with the pistol,and so on. Dont forget to get a dozen or so good mags to practice with. I know they are not trendy,but I like the 7 round metalform mag. The springs are stronger than those on the 8 round mags.

If you load your own ammo, try 4.2 grains of bullseye behind a 230g lrn bullet. This is the old Swenson load. Again,this is not chic today,but one hell of a good way to become a 45 shooter at a good price.

I would also suggest picking up Ken Hallocks book on the 45. Great reference.

Good Luck with you endevor and I hope this is of some help.

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Kevin
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i personally am a big Springfield fan. I have 6 in the safe and a new trophy match on the way. On the other hand i'm not a kimber fan. i personally have witnessed the kimber's ftf at the range again and again. Just one man's opinion... at least your on the right track, the 1911 is the way to go. Good Luck!!!
 
Get a Kimber Classic Custom or Classic Stainless. Absolutely the best gun for the money and both fit into your price range (the stainless is at the edge of it, but you can find it for around $700 if you shop around). I have had five Kimbers, put 5,000 through one, over 4,000 through the other, not one single FTF nor parts breakage.
 
I would suggest the Kimber Custom or Kimber Custom Stainless. Just paid $686 for a Custom Stainless from a Kimber Master Dealer. I also think that Para-Ordnance and Springfield Arms make good 1911's . For your price range these would be the top three manufacturers that I would suggest. If you can't shoot all three at a range I would at least try to handle one of each at a gun shop and see how they feel.

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Well I have a Colt SS 80 Govt, I love it!The only thing that I"ve done to it is. Full length guild rod. Shok-Buff and 20lb spring. It works flawless I bought back 10yrs ago for about 520.00 . I reload & Cast. My Bullet is a H&G 68 (SWC)about 208gr and 5.8gr W231 Jeff
 
Well I have a Colt SS 80 Govt, I love it!The only thing that I"ve done to it is. Full length guild rod. Shok-Buff and 20lb spring. It works flawless I bought back 10yrs ago for about 520.00 . I reload & Cast. My Bullet is a H&G 68 (SWC)about 208gr and 5.8gr W231 Jeff
 
Weegee, I also live in Houston and was wondering where you'd seen that springfield for such a low price? Was it at a show here? Thanx
 
As an owner of both the Springfield and Kimber versions of the 1911, I wholeheartedly recommend either. The Kimber fit and finish is superior, but it costs more. Both of mine are unmodified (other than a dehorn on the Springfield, and new grips on both) and function perfectly. I won the shoot-off at Mad Dog's Knifegnugen last year with the Springfield, and have put thousands of rounds through both.

Tim
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Banzai,
I have to cast my vote for the Springfield Loaded. Looked one over at my local gun shop about 3 weeks ago and caught the "fever". I think it would make an outstanding single-stack competition gun right out of the box. It's on my short list.
Cost in San Angelo, TX = $599

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Tom Whitman
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I have two Sringfields and two Kimbers. The Kimber by and far is better than the Springfields. Overall fit, finish and accuracy is better. You will pay a bit more for the Kimber but since you have $700 to spend, the Kimber Classic Custom is a good buy.

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Svt
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I chose the stainless Para-ordnance P14-45 over the Springfield because it actually felt better in my hands. There's no place to shoot before you buy up here, but my P14-45 works great and right now I'm the limiting factor on accuracy. :)

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I find myself agreeing with "etc," whose advice solidly places him in the "old fart" category... :D ...oh geez, does that make me an old fart too? ;)

I do think that someone new to the 1911 platform is well-served by learning about the basic gun first, and that only comes with shooting one a lot in standard dress. The bells and whistles will always be there if you want to add them, and want to pay for them (the majority of add-ons for the 1911 are intended to make money for the makers and vendors, not necessarily to improve the gun).

A 1911 *needs* a good trigger (this means clean, not necessarily light), good sights (this depends on your eyes; when I was 25 the standard sights on a USGI pistol were fine, at 45 they are not fine, and I've hung Novak Lo-mounts on three pistols so far), and reliability, with the last being most important. Don't be fooled into thinking reliability only comes with a gunsmith's pricey package. An OOTB Springfield, for example, can be 100%. Keep in mind the guns were originally designed for ball ammo, and they have anything BUT straight-line feeding. Still, a 90s-era Spfld (or a Kimber or Colt) is throated for JHPs and will feed and chamber them fine with proper magazines.

Magazines are another area where 1911s are unique. Buy a Glock or a SIG or a Beretta and factory mags are the best choice. Factory 1911 mags are normally *not* the best mags. I like two aftermarket mags the best, Metalform 7-round blue, welded followers, and Wilson/Rogers Series 47 7-rounders. The Wilsons are smoother and the nylon followers are slick and reliable, but I have never had a problem with the specific Metalforms I mentioned, and they are 1/3 the price of Wilsons (Champion's Choice has them for $11) :eek:

If you are traditional and willing to go through an older model and replace springs and any loose pins, a surplus Argentine Model 1927 (what some call a "sistema," a reference to the Argentine "Sistema Colt" or "Colt system" pistols) are a good buy. These are 99.9% identical to the USGI M1911A1 with only a couple minor cosmetic differneces like a checkered mainspring housing instead of the serrated MSH of the USGI gun. All parts interchange. ALL parts. These were made in the heyday of quality guns and are excellent building blocks for someone who wants a basic gun to build HIS way rather than KIMBER'S way or Spfld's way or Les Baer's way or bill Wilson's way. These can be had for $250, and mint samples are less than $400.

If you want the bells and whistles buy a "Loaded" Springfield. I also recommend Kimbers...but looking at the most RECENT Kimbers off the line I have some reservations--they most recent examples are not as nicely finished as they used to be. I don't know if this means Kimber is dropping quality to speed production or that I just happened to see a half dozen examples of Kimbers that didn't look as good as they used to look....

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Mark
 
You might want to have a look at the Smithy forum and check out some of George's 1911's. It's hard to think of a better way to go other than to support one of our own. George makes some mighty fine looking guns, for a reasonable price with a lot of custom features.
www.gunsites.com/gundoc/gs/custom.htm

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Mark Freburg's advice is pretty good. Buy a base pistol and build it the way you want to. Thats the only way to do a 1911. You will rarely be happy with someone else's "package deal".

Personally I would start with a used Colt 70 series, a Mil spec Springfield, or a Norinco.

Good luck, my biggest gripe with "loaded" guns is that their just so dang ugly. Double cocking serrations, funky sights, duotone(ugly as sin), drilled out triggers, ect. Traditional is always classier and better looking. Let the other guy waste his money on the "billet" wheeled, teal green pinstriped special.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MTAA:
Mark Freburg's advice is pretty good. Buy a base pistol and build it the way you want to. Thats the only way to do a 1911. You will rarely be happy with someone else's "package deal".
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Mark has a lot of 1911 miles on him, you can see it tatooed on his forhead. :)
 
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