Best handgun for CCW

Captain_MM

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I'm new to this forum and new to shooting in general. I'm looking for a new handgun and would like some advice. I need something to be able to carry concealed for personal protection and ultimately, depending on the gov't and my airline, may be carried in the cockpit for security. Any recomendations on type, caliber, barrel length, etc. would be appreciated. My hand size is on the smaller side of medium.
 
Welcome Captain!

At the outset let me say that you may not have any choice in this if the govt. mandates a specific firearm. That having been said, let's assume that you will in fact have a choice (or at least can select from a short list). The recommendation for a CCW gun is highly dependent on several factors:

- the individual
- the intended purpose for carry (law enforcement backup, personal defense)
- the intended method of carry (in or out of the waistband, deep concealment)
- the individual's familiarity and comfort level with firearms (and the amount of time they are willing to devote for practice)
- the price you are willing pay for the gun
- and finally, your preference for the ergonomics of individual weapons (thin vs. thick frames. heavy double action vs. single-stage triggers, revolver vs. semi-auto)

(there is also the all-important issue of caliber, but since most guns come in several different calibers, pick the gun and THEN the caliber).

Thus, there is no BEST CCW gun, only what's best for you in your particular circumstances. However, from what you have related in your post, I think we can guide you in the right direction.

Let's start with the basics. First, let's assume that you may have to use this weapon to protect both the cockpit and the cabin. I mention the cabin because it is possible that there may not be an air marshall aboard a flight or the AM may be incapacitated and you may have confront a threat to the plane from the passenger area. So, you should choose a firearms that you feel comfortable shooting within a few feet and also at some distance (possibly the length of the entire cabin).

Second, the confines of an airplane will place a premium on accuracy. Now, MOST people (there are exceptions) are more accurate with a small semi-auto than a snub-nosed revolver so my recommendation in this category would be a SA.

Third, capacity may be important. You obviously cannot run from a threat on a plane. Rather, you will have to fight until the threat is neutralized. So, pick a gun that affords high capacity and quick reloads. Again, a semi-auto gets the nod.

Finally, concealment. Yuo need to choose a gun that you can comfortably carry while sitting for long stretches and which will remain concealed. IMO, snub-nose revolvers are better suited in this category, but that is my individual preference.

Conclusion: I would pick a semi-auto despite the fact that it is not going to be as comfortable.

Now, as to which brand and model, there are several gun makers that produce excellent small semi-autos that are ultra-reliable and acceptably accurate. Two that stand out are Glock and Sig. These guns are carried by tens of thousands in the military and federal, state, and local law enforcement. I would strongly recommend that you find a shooting range that rents guns, or visit a range during a competitive shooting match and try a few models from several companies. I personally like the Glock Model 26, which is a 9mm sub-compact. Of course, the caliber is going to depend on what loads are available for fragmenting ammo that are approved for carrying in an airplane.

Hope this helps despite my rambling.

rock
 
If I were you, I'd be thinking about a SIG or an HK. Both are fine guns, and are about some of the best you can get.
 
Capt,

I salute your willingess to consider how best to protect yourself, your passengers and your aircraft. Bravo, and a moment of silence for your colleagues who died on 9/11.

You will get MANY different opinions on this question. I will offer mine as someone who carries often, and who is an NRA-certified Pistol & Personal Protection instructor and combat pistol competitor. I am not a professional gun-toter (and many of those aren't really "experts", either), but I have many friends who are, and I've learned some things from them, too.

Your choice will be defined by several questions, among them are: 1) where will it be concealed/carried 2) how large can it be 3) how much time will you spend developing and maintaining proficiency with it.

The most basic choice, and the simplest to operate in many ways is the revolver. In your case, you would likely be using it at close range, so long barrel length and adjustable sights are not a requirement. I would suggest something like a 5-shot S&W J-Frame model with 2" barrel, like the 640 Centennial (with enclosed hammer, which can be fired from a pocket without snagging) or the Bodyguard. (640, 342, 442, 642, 649 are some of the model #'s). The stainless models weigh about 23 oz and are somewhat harder to conceal in the trouser pocket due to weight, while the Scandium/Titanium/Aluminum alloy frame models weigh from 11-15 oz, and can be carried even in a front trouser pocket comfortably. The all-steel models are often rated for .357 magnum (though not pleasant to shoot with that high powered ammo), and the alloy models are usually .38 Special +P rated (with some .357 models avail, I think). The lightest models are not pleasant to shoot either, but in a deadly confrontation, you won't be noticing recoil. The recoil MIGHT be a deterrent to practicing often, though.

Next would be the semi-auto, and caliber choice dictates size in some cases. One of the compact 9mm steel or polymer Kahr models are pretty small, though not terribly smaller than the subcompact Glock 26/27, which have greater magazine capacity. Both the Kahr and Glock have nearly impeccable reliability records (Glock has the edge, imo). You can go smaller, of course, with something like the KelTec .32 acp, which weighs something like 8oz, but I've heard mixed reports on reliability... if you get a good one, it will be reliable, but nearly 50% have to be tuned at the factory, I've heard ... not good enough for me (my ex-USMC/CIA friend loves his, though). .32acp is not in the same league in stopping power as 9mm or .39+P/.357, either. Beretta makes some nice compact pocket rockets too, and maybe Walther too (not sure how I feel about James Bond's Walther PPKS, which is bigger, too). There is also the more expensive Seecamp limited-production .32acp auto, which is highly regarded. A retired airline captain friend of mine loves his... maybe someone can supply the name of it.

Next would be the bigger guns. I carry a Glock 19 9mm or 1911 .45 acp when I can, or I carry a stainless S&W 640 (though I'd like an alloy J-frame too). The advantage of something like the Glock 19 or 23 (.40 cal) is you can still get hi-cap (original capacity) magazines, which accept 13/15 rounds, respectively. The are a bit harder-- though not terribly so-- to conceal, especially if you wear a jacket or loose shirt. Other good choices: the compact Sig Sauers, the great & unique H&K P7M8 squeeze-cocking 9mm... expensive but VERY accurate and reliable, the Steyr M9 or S9, or Glock 30 .45acp. All are superb guns. SEMI-AUTOS, with the advantages of larger ammo capacity, generally better triggers, and faster reloads, also require more practice to master, particularly when clearing malfunctions. More, but not too much more, and a worthwhile investment in time, imo.

AMMO/Caliber: for aircraft use, there are good choices in frangible ammo (which Sky Marshals carry, I'm told), which fragments on impact and will generally not overpenetrate an aircraft hull or cabin, but are very lethal at close range. The danger of depressurization, as you know, is overstated by many, and the danger of conventional ammo is not that, really, but more that a standard hollow point might damage hydraulics or electrical in penetrating the cabin wall... I quote expert opinions on this, which I can supply to you. Caliber: what you can shoot best. For many new shooters, this is 9mm or .39+P, and in the case of 9mm you don't give up much if anything with premium ammo. Some prefer or insist on .40 or .45cal, but there is a recoil penalty, which practice can overcome usually (except in some really recoil-sensitive shooters).

Holsters: with a J-frame type revolver, you could carry in the pocket (pants or jacket), shoulder holster, ankle holster, or shoulder bag/fanny pack/belt pouch. An auto can be carried the same, though pocket carry for the bigger models isn't a good choice, and you can't fire one from the pocket. For my J-frame revolver, I have a great shoulder rig which disappears under a dress shirt/sweater/jacket, called "The City Slicker", by Ken Null http://www.klnullholsters.com , legend has it that it was designed for CIA operatives. You can velcro a shirt button (or just rip it) and reach in to get the gun easily. For belt carry I use an Uncle Mike's belt pouch (NOT a fanny pack), which doesn't say "GUN!". I also have a pocket holster... there are many choices of those.

Belt carry: I prefer Kydex holsters by Blade-Tech www.blade-tech.com or SideArmor www.sidearmor.net or KyTac Braveheart www.skdtac.com, but there are many great choices for leather too, incl: Alessi, Milt Sparks, etc. Some of them advertise on www.glocktalk.com or check the ads in American Handgunner, Combat Handguns, Guns & Weapons for Law Enforcement magazines too.

Good luck. E-mail me, and I'll forward the e-mail address of an acquaintance in Denver (MarkCO on GlockTalk) who is a CCW instructor and competition shooter. I'm sure he'd be glad to help too (won't you, MarkCO ;) ).

Cheers.
 
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Cockpit carry? hmmmmmmmm

Capt. Good question. First off we can recommend alot of stuff and trust me, you will get alot of different opinions. There really
is no ULTIMATE gun. We can steer you in the right direction but need further info If you would?

What experience do you have with handguns?
Any with revolvers or semi auto's
How big are you...ht and wt?
How do you dress on and off work?
How much do you want to spend on a gun? You can get great quality carry guns from 400 $ to the skies the limit! Pun intended.
Do you have small kids in your house?

The gun...get advice here on TFL..and go shopping. Handle the guns and look at their cost, size for your hands and for concealment. Weight is an issue, light is good for concealment.
Caliber...not really relevant. Most will do fine. 9-40-45-357!
Warranty? If it need repair, will it be fixed in less than 6 weeks?
A gun does you no good if you dont have it with you!
These are just the issues with the gun itself...and there are more!

My point is not to overwhelm you..but to say....You asked a big question!

Shoot well
 
I'm new to this forum and new to shooting in general.

You are new to shooting yet you want to carry a concealed handgun?

You should practice and take safety classes, and only then consider concealed carry.
 
Capt,

"ump" made a well-intended suggestion, I think, even if it seemed slightly rude. The states that issues CCW permits have varying requirements for getting a permit. Some require range qualification, and some don't. Ideally, ALL ccw permit holders have a good basic grasp of firearm safety, shooting proficiency, and they practice often. In reality, that may not be the case, sadly.

You are an airline captain, someone who, by definition, has mastered and operates-- under stress-- a highly sophisticated and complex piece of machinery, with many lives at stake. I think you can master the basics of defensive firearm use... it's not aeronautical science ;) .

Write me for MarkCO's e-mail address... he's a good teacher, I'm betting.
 
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The G27.9+1 of a major caliber in an easy to conceal package and with easily controllable recoil and acceptable combat accuracy.Totally reliable and simple to clean and maintain.
 
Find those handguns that interest you and see if you can't rent/shoot a box or 2 of ammo through them and DON'T carry something you don't feel comfortable with.
 
Cockpit Carry?

Greeting's Captain and Other's,

With all due respect, since you stated you are "new" to
the "GunWorld" , perhaps a small revolver would be
the best option for cockpit carry. My recommendation would
be a light (as in weight), 5-shot, shub-nose .38 Special; as
made by Smith & Wesson, Colt, or Ruger. Other's will sing
the praise's of Taurus; a firearm's company with a less than
desirable reputation. I probably will get flamed for this
suggestion; but for your dutie's I would prefer
one of Smith & Wesson's model 337 PD's. Cramed into
a small space, it offers easy of concealment and offers
plenty of punch when loaded with Federal's Hydra-Shok
+P ammunition.

Good Luck & GOD Bless America- Merry Christmas To All,
Ala Dan, Life Member N.R.A.
 
I'm partial to the little five-shot snub nose revolvers put out by Smith and Wesson, especially the hammerless Centennial model. The ones I carry are Airweight and AirLight, made of aluminum, titanium, or scandium. The light weight makes it easy to carry in a pocket, which means it will probably be with you if you need it, unlike a lot of the autoloaders some have recommended.
 
I've got a snub-nosed .38 (Colt Detective Special) and a Glock 19. More than happy to meet you and let you try both to see if one "speaks" to you.

Sending you e-mail.
 
Capt:

I would respectfully suggest that you ignore the well intentioned recommendations that you get a revolver. That is, unless you can be assured that you will never be called upon to repel multiple hijackers.

As I understand the reports, each of the 9/11 aircraft was commandeered by 4 or 5 hijackers. Most small frame revolvers hold 5 or 6 rounds. VERY difficult to INCAPACITATE 4 or 5 fanatics with 5 or 6 shots from a handgun.

Covert Mission and Rock Jock have given you good advice.

ASSUMING that the Glocks fit your hand, they are excellent, reliable self defense weapons. They hold 16 rounds in 9mm (the model G-19) and 14 rounds in the .40 caliber (model G-23).

Ump45 also gave good advice - get all the training you can afford.
 
Captain - generally, the best gun for CCW is:

The largest gun you can comfortably and effectively conceal;

With the lightest weight so it doesn't become a burdon;

In the most powerful caliber you can accurately control given the other 2 criteria.

So..it is a compromise based on you application. I have more than one carry gun, for different modes of dress & whether or not I'll have to remove it in certain environments.

Hard to answer in a simple paragraph!
 
I'm not going to repeat the wonderful advice above about the perfect CCW gun is the one that YOU prefer.

I carry the Glock 30. 10+1 rounds of .45acp. This gun's grip may be a bit chunky for you though. If the 30 doesn't fit you well, go with the Glock 27. 9+1 rounds of .40s&w. I carry the 30 (or occasionally the 27) because of Glocks wonderful reliability, low weight, and high capacity magazines.
 
All of the above thrown in a blender and mixed to personal taste.
Whatever you carry, get very proficient with it before carryin on board. Become proficient with either hand.

I often carried a Smith 36, J frame revolver, in Bianchi waistband clip holster. When driving for a major, always had nav bag beside me so carried full sized 1911 in the bag, holster rigged in bag so easy to draw and always in same place. If bag carryin, important to be either handed cause of the seat switchin.

Any cartridge that is going to have a good chance of stoppin a bad guy is gonna poke a hole in the airframe. Big deal, outflow valve can handle a hell of a lot more leaks than you can make with a handgun. Vital systems stuff is another matter. Crap shoot.

If gonna carry on your person, remember the belt n harness when pickin a rig.

Welcome to the dark side Captain.

Sam
 
My current "always" gun is the NAA Guardian in 380. I've carried for about 20 years, on and off. Over the years my selection has gotten smaller, and smaller. My advise is to buy what you will carry and not what you want to carry.
 
I would think a small revolver,it will shoot the fragmenting rounds which sometimes dont feed reliably from an auto and are expensive to practice with.You may not have a choice on the guns you can carry on a plane,you should check first.I hope when I have to fly its on your plane.
 
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