Originally posted by Alan0354
If you choose to waste money keep shooting to try to break in, it's your choice.
I know beretta, the fact there's no extractor make it even more sensitive to rough chamber that prevents the empty shells from coming out. The problem is the shell does not come out all the way and stuck in the chamber half way. Polishing the chamber resolve most of the problem. I don't want to suggest doing it himself because over polishing can be dangerous.
Well, Beretta says that the gun has a break in period per their manual and while you're breaking the gun in you can also become familiar with it and learn to shoot it better, so I'd hardly call putting a few boxes of ammo through it a "waste of money".
How do you know that the problem is a rough chamber? The OP did not specify what sort of malfunctions he was having, only that he had three "jams". You do know that there are other things that can cause a malfunction besides a rough chamber right?
What make you so sure beretta will just send the gun back. Are you speaking on behalf of beretta? If not, DO NOT SAY THAT.
First of all, the caps lock and bold text are unnecessary. Secondly, I said that Beretta is likely to send the gun back saying that they inspected and test fired it because I don't believe there's anything wrong with the OP's gun in the first place. How can Beretta or anyone else repair a gun if there's no problem to correct in the first place?
I sent back my S&W and Colt back, that was before I even started doing gun smithing. They fixed it. It's because I saw what they did, that interested me. So I got into gun smithing. I further accurized the Gold Cup for competition. I further improve the gun.
OK, good for you. That being said I've never met a competent gunsmith that could diagnose a problem with a gun sight unseen with the limited amount of information of "three jams in 75 rounds."
It is NOT rocket science, problem is usually very obvious if you know how to look for it. AND it's very obvious if you know what you are doing.
And how do you look for it on a gun that you've never even been in the same room with? Again, the OP did not specify what sort of "jam" he's having so we have very little to go on as to what might be causing them. If the gun is stove-piping empty cases, I'd guess either ammunition that's loaded too lightly or possibly a problem with the ejector. If the cartridges are nose-diving and causing failures to feed, I'd suspect issues with the magazine. "Jam" on the other hand isn't very descriptive so unless you have some sort of magical gunsmith ESP, I don't see how you're diagnosing this as a rough chamber.
It's like if you buy a S&W revolver, you do NOT go shoot thousands of rounds in double action or dry fire thousands of times to smooth out the pull. You go in and polish certain places to make it butter smooth without firing a shot.
Actually, I've heard a lot people who very knowledgeable about S&W revolvers recommend just that: lots of shooting and dry fire. I know this: the average person is a lot less likely to damage their S&W by shooting it and dry firing then they are from having at it with stones and flitz
I am quite sure beretta will do something about it. This is an OLD design, there's a lot they can improve it. What do you have to lose? Other than save money keep trying different brands of bullets.
Well for one thing, there's the several weeks to months to be lost while the OP is waiting to get his gun back. There's also the possible cost to ship the gun (I don't know if you've ever paid to ship a handgun, but they have to go next day air and that ain't cheap). As far as trying different brands of ammo, how is the OP to know what his gun will and will not work with if he doesn't try it? You yourself said that your gun should work with several brands of ammo, are you suggesting that the OP should be able to just buy whatever brand of ammo he happens across and carry it in confidence without ever testing it in his gun?
I'm not convinced that there's anything at all wrong with the OP's gun, he's only shot 1 1/2 boxes of ammo through it and, even at today's prices, another box or two of .32 Auto ammo will still be cheaper than shipping his gun to Beretta. Regardless of what you type in bold font and all caps, having a few malfunctions early on is relatively common with a brand new gun and is nothing to be alarmed about.
If you buy it from a store, just go back to the store. I am SURE the sales person will say EXACTLY what you said to discourage him from sending it back because it's more work for them. Just insist on it. I bought so many guns, I know how they are.
I've bought a lot of guns from a lot of different stores too and most of them that I've ever dealt with would tell me to call Beretta and see what they have to say about it. Notice how most gun stores have a large, prominent sign that says "all sales are final". That means that warranty issues on a brand new gun isn't the retailer's responsibility. By "just insisting on it" you might get them to ship it for you, or you might simply be shown the door.
It is if you have to spend money to buy say 5 boxes of bullets just to try to break in the gun. What if after 5 boxes, the gun still jams?
5 boxes is 250 rounds. I know a lot of people who won't even consider carrying a gun until it's gone through that many rounds of their chosen JHP. I personally think that's excessive, but I am willing to give a brand new gun at least 100-200 rounds to break in before I start considering sending it back to the factory. If after 250 rounds, the gun was still having issues I'd send it back, but the OP only has 75 rounds through his and even at that, he says the jams have stopped.
Also, you cannot shoot hundreds of rounds through the Tomcat, you have to worry about the cracking problem as talked in another thread. You just don't shoot thousands of rounds in this kind of small gun. I have 3 Beretta 950BS, two I shoot a lot, one I did everything on it, shot like 300 rounds to proof it, and I stop shooting that one and use it for self defense. I use the other two to practice.
BTW, I broke the recoil spring on one of them after less than 2000 rounds. You cannot shoot a lot with those small guns, they don't last. Want to shoot a lot, buy two, one for shooting, one to just proven out and keep it.
The tip-up barrel Berettas are just fine to shoot as much as you like so long as you understand and follow Beretta's ammo recommendations. The newer "wide slide" Tomcats are just fine to be shot and practiced with so long as you adhere to Beretta's guidance to shoot ammo which generates no more that 130 ft. lbs of energy. Such ammo would include Federal, Remington, Winchester, Aguila, Magtech, Prvi Partizan, Speer, Blazer, and even Underwood so long as you avoid their +P version. I personally have a 950 B (the older model without the manual safety) which has "made in Italy" stamped on the slide. This indicates that my gun was manufactured and imported prior to 1968 and I've shot several hundred rounds through mine with nary a problem, not to mention who knows how many rounds in the roughly four decades before I bought it.
But this gun is not for shooting 300 rounds and see whether it will stop jamming, then another 300 rounds........ The gun cracks!!! Sure, you have the bigger better ones and you can go enjoy shooting without worrying about it.
If the Tomcat couldn't stand up to 600 rounds of the relatively low powered .32 Auto ammunition that Beretta recommends, I doubt they'd still make it as they'd be losing too much money from the warranty claims. What is this notion that you "can't shoot a small Beretta very much" based on? Can you cite any recommendation about round counts from Beretta themselves? Or is it just based on what you've read on forums and your own perception?
Honestly, I would never buy the Tomcat knowing all the problems of cracking. It's not even light. 32 rounds are not cheap and is weaker. I'd go with 380 where you have so many modern guns to choose from instead of one that is heavy and will crack.
I never understand why people worry about recoil.
The tip-up barrel Berettas like the Tomcat are very attractive to people who have limited hand strength as they obviate the need to rack the slide (this is why my wife bought hers). Also, some of us actually like .32 Auto and the options in guns are limited to the Tomcat, NAA Guardian, and Kel-Tec P32.
