Beretta 92G Elite or CZ-75BD.

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My current 9mm pistols are a G19 & Beretta Centurion.
I'm looking at purchasing a 92G Elite or CZ-75BD, And would like opinions on which is better & why.
If I went w/ the CZ, which finish should I get(most durable/corrosion resistant), and what are their da/sa trigger pulls best compared to? Also, being a lefty, is the decock lever on the CZ-75BD ambidextrous?
Lastly, how are both companies customer svc. dept's (I've heard Beretta's is pretty good but haven't had to use them), and how readily available are replacement parts for both?
Thanks in advance,
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I only have experience with the CZ-75BD. The polymer-over-parkerized finish is plenty durable. The trigger on the BD is similar to the Glock (I know some will disagree). No ambi decocker, so far as I know. Parts are readily available.

Ledbetter
 
i love my 92G Elite. its more accurate, for me, than my 92FS and just as reliable. it uses the same full-cap mags you have for your Centurion and IMO balances better than the 92FS. it also has less felt recoil due to the Brigadier slide.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ledbetter:
I only have experience with the CZ-75BD. The polymer-over-parkerized finish is plenty durable. The trigger on the BD is similar to the Glock (I know some will disagree). No ambi decocker, so far as I know. Parts are readily available.
Ledbetter[/quote]

I had -- and recently sold -- a CZ-75B (not BD) and purchased a CZ-85 Combat in its place.

The Beretta is a nice gun, but a bit too big for my taste. My 92 was fine, but the 96 seemed to be REAL PICKY about ammo. I much prefer the CZ series, and especially like the CZ-85.

I'm not a big fan of decockers, and prefer the CZ's ability to be carried cocked and locked.

The CZ-85 line offers ambidextrous controls, and is more in line with the costs of the Beretta. (The 85s are more finely finished and fit than the 75s... just a little nicer for a little more money.)




[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited October 03, 2000).]
 
I think the CZ75BD would be the compact, alloy framed version, correct? I think its more generally available as the PCR model. I believe it is only available in black polymer finish. As was mentioned, its decocker is on the left side (for right-handers). If I were a lefty, I might look at the CZ85, although I don't know much about them. On the other hand, its not like you need to be able to operate a decocker in a hurry (or even really need it at all), so I wouldn't make too big an issue of this. If you want a model with a safety (not the "D"/PCR alloy framed one), then the 85 would probably be best for you. I like the PCR model, as well as the other CZs, a lot.

Doug
 
Thanks for the replies so far.
Not having any experience w/ the CZ's, w/ no decocker, how is it best to go about lowering the hammer safely for a DA first shot after racking the slide, and what safeties are in place on the CZ-85 to prevent an AD from occurring?
What's the asking price for a CZ-85?
Thanks again,
{long shot}
 
The CZ85's are not offered with a decocker to my knowledge. I would go with the CZ75BD even if the decocker is not ambidextrious. A decock device is not used in the same manner as a manual safety. You rack the slide to chamber a round then decock to holster and carry. So IMO even if you are a lefty an ambidextrious decock lever is not needed.

I prefer the C75B's cocked an locked carry ability since I also carry a 1911... Helps to keep the system simple and similar safety devices for when things get hairy..

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Rick
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by long shot:
Thanks for the replies so far.
Not having any experience w/ the CZ's, w/ no decocker, how is it best to go about lowering the hammer safely for a DA first shot after racking the slide, and what safeties are in place on the CZ-85 to prevent an AD from occurring?
What's the asking price for a CZ-85?
Thanks again,
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If you carry cocked and locked, decocking is
something you don't worry about until you're ready to put the gun away.

Then you'd do it just as you would with a 1911-style handgun: with the safety on, drop the magazine, clear the chamber, let the slide go foward, the then slowly drop the hammer -- or pull the trigger. As I noted, cocked/locked makes decocking unnecessary.

In IDPA I start from the half-cocked position. (This is OK for IDPA.) This lowers the double-action pull substantially, yet does NOT subvert the firing pin block. This gives a much better DA/SA transition.

Safeties depend on the model. The B model 75 and 85 have the firing pin block (that's what the B stands for, I think); the decocker version doesn't

The CZ-85s are about $50-$75 more than the CZ-75s. That buys ambi controls and better fit and finish. But the 85s can be more costly, depending on the options/features.
(I've got a nickel-plated one with adjustable sights, and it went for around $500.) You *CAN* get them for less.

At the moment, they all come with 1 ten-round and 1 fifteen round magazine.
 
Walt, what I am asking is if one were to lower the hammer on a charged chamber(for DA 1st shot), how would it be safely accomplished w/ the CZ?
As you stated, the half-cocked position is suitable for IDPA, but I was thinking along the lines of home def.
One of the reasons the CZ appeals to me is that it offers the option of DA/SA or cocked n' Locked carry. The other pistol I was looking at for these reasons was an HK, which also allows the hammer to be completly lowerd safely via the de-cock mechanism. However, the CZ is said to have a better trigger, as well as the price difference & avilable hi-caps.

Thanks again!
{long shot}
 
DougB the 75bd and the 75d compact are two different guns. The D Compact is the PCR and 75bd is a fullsized gun with decocker only. Take the CZ it is cost effective.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by long shot:
Walt, what I am asking is if one were to lower the hammer on a charged chamber(for DA 1st shot), how would it be safely accomplished w/ the CZ?
As you stated, the half-cocked position is suitable for IDPA, but I was thinking along the lines of home def.
One of the reasons the CZ appeals to me is that it offers the option of DA/SA or cocked n' Locked carry. The other pistol I was looking at for these reasons was an HK, which also allows the hammer to be completly lowerd safely via the de-cock mechanism. However, the CZ is said to have a better trigger, as well as the price difference & avilable hi-caps.

Thanks again!
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You just CAREFULLY lower the hammer on the loaded chamber, by controlling it with your thumb while pulling the trigger. There's no alternative.

But, whether you use the gun for home defense or any other situation, there's no reason to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber! Nothing is gained by doing that.

It can be done safely, as with a 1911 -- but why would you do it? Having done that, you've not made the gun safer, and it doesn't improve the trigger pull.

(You concern is similar to being concerned when the striker is set in your Glock 19. Why would you want to unset the striker? Why aren't you concerned about that? Pretty similar situation, I think. Neither gun is going to fire unless you pull the trigger...)

[This message has been edited by Walt Sherrill (edited October 04, 2000).]
 
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