george miller
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im interested in getting a new beretta but have been told "stories" about frame cracking and whatnot.what gives?is it with certain ammo?(+p)any difference between italy made guns and the us guns?
beretta 92fs
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Berettas can crack in the slide and locking block, but usually only after a high round count or heavy use of +P ammo. The fact is however, cracks can happen on most other guns as well after heavy usage. I wouldn't worry about it.
My Italian-made 92fs is a little more nicely put-together than a USA-made unit I once owned, but that was the only difference I could see.
My Italian-made 92fs is a little more nicely put-together than a USA-made unit I once owned, but that was the only difference I could see.
The slide problems happened a long time ago when a few craked for the SEALS who were using over pressure machinegun ammo. Dispite this missuse, Beretta made some changes to the pistol and beefed up the locking block area. These are some of the finest 9mm's you can buy. Highly recomended, probably the most out of box reliable automatic you can by. You will not be dissapointed.
Jamie Young
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I don't worry about it.
If it fits in your hand you'll love it. Get one!!!I agree
Get one and you'll love it. Since I got one last November I've shot it nearly every weekend and so far it has been 100% reliable. Not a single ftf or fte. My teenage sons shoot it as well. Its a great, reliable gun. I also shot it from a bench rest for the first time last weekend and it is *waaay* more accurate than I am.
Get one, shoot it a lot and it will probably outlive you.
Get one and you'll love it. Since I got one last November I've shot it nearly every weekend and so far it has been 100% reliable. Not a single ftf or fte. My teenage sons shoot it as well. Its a great, reliable gun. I also shot it from a bench rest for the first time last weekend and it is *waaay* more accurate than I am.
Get one, shoot it a lot and it will probably outlive you.
i have about 10,000 rds. though my Elite II. mostly 115 gr. hydra-shoks and 115 gr. federal +p+. no problems. i've had two ftf's with it, and one was a bad primer in the round. not a bad track record.
IMHO, if you are a civilian, shooting under 3,000 a year, the standard beretta is more than fine. if you're a cop or do heavy work with it (i shoot about 800-1,000 monthly,) pay the extra $150 and get a brigider or either eilte model.
berettas are the ONLY gun that i would take new out of the box, throw some grease on it, load the mag, and carry it as a duty weapon without testing it.
IMHO, if you are a civilian, shooting under 3,000 a year, the standard beretta is more than fine. if you're a cop or do heavy work with it (i shoot about 800-1,000 monthly,) pay the extra $150 and get a brigider or either eilte model.
berettas are the ONLY gun that i would take new out of the box, throw some grease on it, load the mag, and carry it as a duty weapon without testing it.
Beretta 92s and the reported "slide-cracking" problems.
Man, that's something you never hear about with Smiths or Glocks.
Just curious, though. What did they do specifically to fix this problem, aside from down-playing it? Was it a problem exclusive to the military 92s? Or did any civilian 92s experience this?
The reports I recall were less about the cracks and more about catastrophic failures where, on recoil, the slide flew back off the frame and hit the user in the teeth or forehead.
Seems like it would be difficult to concentrate on hitting the target when you're having to dodge the slide.
Good thing it was "only" a 9mm. 
Man, that's something you never hear about with Smiths or Glocks.
Just curious, though. What did they do specifically to fix this problem, aside from down-playing it? Was it a problem exclusive to the military 92s? Or did any civilian 92s experience this?
The reports I recall were less about the cracks and more about catastrophic failures where, on recoil, the slide flew back off the frame and hit the user in the teeth or forehead.
Seems like it would be difficult to concentrate on hitting the target when you're having to dodge the slide.
Good thing it was "only" a 9mm. Beretta 92s and the reported "slide-cracking" problems.
Man, that's something you never hear about with Smiths or Glocks.
Just curious, though. What did they do specifically to fix this problem, aside from down-playing it? Was it a problem exclusive to the military 92s? Or did any civilian 92s experience this?
The reports I recall were less about the cracks and more about catastrophic failures where, on recoil, the slide flew back off the frame and hit the user in the teeth or forehead.
Seems like it would be difficult to concentrate on hitting the target when you're having to dodge the slide. Good thing it was "only" a 9mm.
Man, that's something you never hear about with Smiths or Glocks.
Just curious, though. What did they do specifically to fix this problem, aside from down-playing it? Was it a problem exclusive to the military 92s? Or did any civilian 92s experience this?
The reports I recall were less about the cracks and more about catastrophic failures where, on recoil, the slide flew back off the frame and hit the user in the teeth or forehead.
Seems like it would be difficult to concentrate on hitting the target when you're having to dodge the slide.
Good thing it was "only" a 9mm. The slide was never a big problem, when the military abused them to the point of a failure it turned out to be the slide a couple times.Beretta came in and beffed up that area.
The beretta is one of the best out of the box 9MM made. Hi caps are cheap. also there are lots of aftermarket products, for them.
Tony
The beretta is one of the best out of the box 9MM made. Hi caps are cheap. also there are lots of aftermarket products, for them.
Tony
RAY WOODROW 3RD
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Let me tell you....
agtman,
To own one is to know what a fine firearm is really all about. Its a Beretta thing. You just wouldn't understand.
agtman,
To own one is to know what a fine firearm is really all about. Its a Beretta thing. You just wouldn't understand.
If you're really interested in the slide cracking problem, there has been a lot written about it.
Rather than just posting some spur of the moment wisecracks based on a complete dearth of reliable information, why not do some research and draw your own conclusions.
From what I've seen on the subject, the ammo in question was lead reloads which were hot loaded. The lead built up in the barrel eventually leading to increased chamber pressures. The failures occurred when the pressures reached around 200% of the normal proof pressures for the gun.
Furthermore, this happened immediately after the 92FS was adopted by the military. IMO, this was a bunch of gung-ho soldiers out to prove that the pistol was a POS. They just got a little more than they bargained for. Similar acts, bordering on outright sabotage, were performed on the M16 when it was undergoing initial testing by the military.
Rather than just posting some spur of the moment wisecracks based on a complete dearth of reliable information, why not do some research and draw your own conclusions.
From what I've seen on the subject, the ammo in question was lead reloads which were hot loaded. The lead built up in the barrel eventually leading to increased chamber pressures. The failures occurred when the pressures reached around 200% of the normal proof pressures for the gun.
Furthermore, this happened immediately after the 92FS was adopted by the military. IMO, this was a bunch of gung-ho soldiers out to prove that the pistol was a POS. They just got a little more than they bargained for. Similar acts, bordering on outright sabotage, were performed on the M16 when it was undergoing initial testing by the military.
MasterBlaster
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Proof positive that grunts ain't the brightest bulb on the Christmas Tree.
"Grunts" walking around with Beretta 92 slides impaled in their foreheads...
... would make it kinda hard to salute, no?
Okay, if we can be serious for a sec, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Beretta "fixed" the military 92s by driving a bolt across the rear of the slide (i.e., sideways to the frame). But this seemed pretty odd to me at the time, because Italian designers are awfully fussy about the esthetics of their products. (I mean, just to fix some shake & shimmy on a Testarosa they wouldn't drive a bolt through the fender).
Anyway, I'm not anti-Beretta, just curious about how the problem got resolved.
... would make it kinda hard to salute, no?
Okay, if we can be serious for a sec, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Beretta "fixed" the military 92s by driving a bolt across the rear of the slide (i.e., sideways to the frame). But this seemed pretty odd to me at the time, because Italian designers are awfully fussy about the esthetics of their products. (I mean, just to fix some shake & shimmy on a Testarosa they wouldn't drive a bolt through the fender).
Anyway, I'm not anti-Beretta, just curious about how the problem got resolved.
Robby from Long Island
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George,
I've had my 92FS for over 10 years, fired literally thousands of rounds through with all types of ammo and never had one failure to feed or go bang when the trigger was squeezed.
It's the gun I use for home defense 'til I can get to my Benelli M1 Super 90 .
It's one of the most dependable handguns in the world and you definitely won't be disappointed if you use it as intended and don't try to feed it with high pressure sub-machine gun ammo.
Safe shooting.
I've had my 92FS for over 10 years, fired literally thousands of rounds through with all types of ammo and never had one failure to feed or go bang when the trigger was squeezed.
It's the gun I use for home defense 'til I can get to my Benelli M1 Super 90
.It's one of the most dependable handguns in the world and you definitely won't be disappointed if you use it as intended and don't try to feed it with high pressure sub-machine gun ammo.
Safe shooting.