Beretta 92FS and Hollow points?

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Jamie Young

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How do you folks that own these guns rate the 92FS's vesatility with anything other than ball ammo? I want to know if its worth while reloading hollow points for this gun? Also whats the difference between Ball and FMJ?

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Ball and FMJ are the same, as far as hollow-points go the 92FS design is extremely reliable, mine feeds everything. Well made reloads should be no problem.
 
Originally posted by P-35:
Ball and FMJ are the same, as far as hollow-points go the 92FS design is extremely reliable, mine feeds everything. Well made reloads should be no problem.


What Bullet weight do you use?



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With such a long barrel, you can use any conventional weights available. I'd recommend 115 - 124 grain ammo. But 147 should have sufficient velocity... but there's no reason to go with 147 in my book.

Hornady makes a great little 90 grainer. 1400 fps sounds tempting enough.

Ben

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I have a question, which is: you aren't using reloads for defense, are you?

Reloads are for practice and hunting, and you can't do a lot of hunting with a nine. Just in case you haven't heard and don't have a death wish.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B Shipley:
I have a question, which is: you aren't using reloads for defense, are you?

Reloads are for practice and hunting, and you can't do a lot of hunting with a nine. Just in case you haven't heard and don't have a death wish.[/quote]

I am only reloading for fun,I'm Cheap, and I if I find a load I like I would carry that in my 92FS for Defense.



[This message has been edited by SodaPop (edited July 21, 2000).]
 
I guess you think I'm an Idiot BShipley I actually Carry a Colt 1991 with 185gr hollow points. And If I found 9mm Hollow Points that were accurate and loaded better than factory rounds I wouldn't feel I should really be carry FMJ rounds. I haven't experimented with reloading 9mm rounds and I wasn't sure if a 92FS is the type of gun that handles a wide variety of bullet shapes. I've had problems with my Colt whenever I tried using anything but round nosed bullets. I like to have fun and Experiment I learned that I can decide which Gun and Ammo suits me best.
 
I've got a straight 92 made in the 1970s to military specifications.

It has eaten everything I've ever tossed into it and has come back for more.

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Pull the slide back and insert a loaded mag then look at where the top round is. Right behind the chamber pointing into the hole. The Baretta is probably one of the top 3 guns made to feed anything. They will feed tootsie rools if you can get them into the mag. :) :) Sig, glock, baretta they eat anything that fits into the mag.
 
My old 92 will feed anything reliably. When we practice malfunction drills we have to deliberately induce a FTF using dummy rounds and empty casings. I agree with the above advice I would go with the 124 - 127 gr. rounds. The inefficiency of the 147 Hrdra-shok is the reason we switched to the .40
 
I'm not sure about the idiot thing (unless you pick choice "c" below), since I just want to get an idea about what you are trying to accomplish. Also, no one is attempting to dissuade you from using HPs, just those you make yourself, for defense.

Are you just trying to roll your own for a) strictly plinking, b) getting a feel for what bullets and brass work best, then extrapolating this to factory ammo choices that you will use, or c) making some super duper hot rod round that you in tend to carry in a defensive weapon, have them jam, and end up dead?

I would trust myself less than any computerized factory to make a decent, reliable feeding load, esp. since even these don't always work well. Some guys have done things like loaded backwards WCs as a first round, but that is a far as I'd go w/ handloads for self defense in a semi-auto.

Additionally, consider the liability of shooting someone with handloads, whereby the prosecution claims you loaded an even more deadly round and were itching to use it at your trial.
 
BShipley,
I'd have to say Answer "B" in response to your question. I don't know much about 9mm bullets all I know is the UMC 115gr ammo I just shot today was not very good. I'd like to find one all purpose bullet round and stick with that. I like to shoot a lot and I'm sure if I wanted to buy High Quality ammo I'd be spending a lot of money. Thats why I reload. I get sick of having to compensate by aiming higher because I'm shooting different brands of ammo.

I'm not really interested in +P or any other hot loads for 9mm. I bought the 9mm (Why?) because I don't own a 9mm. If I want that much more power I'd grab my .45acp. I would think that the majority of people that carry 9mm use hollow points? I think?

Tell me about this Liability thing with factory and reloads? I'm curious?
 
Massad Ayoob claims, and I believe he has cases to prove it, that it looks bad when you use homemade for self-defense, even if it is lighter than or equivalent to a factory load.

The rationale is that it looks like you were intent on killing someone (you made an extra deadly bullet), even if that person is worse than Charlie Manson, Hitler, Pol Pot, and Stalin rolled into one and is holding your family hostage with an MP-5, and is clearly justifiable homicide. All strictly BS that can be twisted against you in either criminal or civil cases.

I think that one case I remember Ayoob quoting had a LEO shooting the perp w/ a 200 gr. Speer HP in .45 and removing his lower jaw, permanently. The LEO was sued and barely got off the hook, even though his loads were equivalent to factory ammo.
 
Who is Massad Ayoob? You know in todays Political climate I think your right. Thats something I didn't think too much about. I just got my carrying permit two weeks ago. I really don't intend on carrying much, mostly camping and hiking up the mountains. I'm actually more worried about the wild animals up there than people. When I get the time I'll take a course at a local Firing range. They have a very detailed course on the local laws here dealing with the use of deadly force. Thanks for the Input BShipley.
Do you have any recommendations on 9mm ammo?
 
Massad Ayoob makes lots of claims. He "claims" to cite law cases, but never gives the actual case law cite nor the state the "case" went to trial in. A case tried in Massachusetts would not be relavent in Arizona. If you have a loaded gun, in a holster, under the seat of your car in Massachusetts you are breaking the law and can be arrested for that alone. The same is not true in Arizona. Do you see how Ayoobs' "Case one" is unreliable information? Check your local laws, or better yet, have a local trial lawyer give you advice for your decision on what you may, or may not, want to carry. Remember, Ayoob wrote for the same magazines that printed glowing reviews of Colt's All American 2000.

My 92FS-B has been 100% reliable with every load I have tried. I happen to like 124 and 147 grain Hydra-Shok loads in my 92.

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I have a SS 92FS and after almost 6,000 rounds it has never failed to feed. It is very reliable pistol. My standard 9mm handload is Reming 115gr JHP (from Midway) with 5.1gr of Win231. It is accurate and reliable in all my 9mm pistols. I have loaded several hundred 124gr truncated lead bullets and they too are reliable but accuracy depends on velocity. If I keep it at about 850fps it is very reliable but as the speed increases the accuracy decreases.
 
Blades is right. If you showed a picture of a gun to a perp in Mass., you'd go to prison (but you could get out on a weekend furlough there), whereas Texas would give you a medal and a handshake from the Governor for blowing several bad guys away.

Ayoob is a cop/gunwriter, w/ an emphasis on writer. He has something called the Lethal Force Institute that he runs that gives those who pay for the class pointers on how and when to shoot or not shoot. Some of his stuff may be debateable, or not applicable outside the Northeast, where he lives, but it is probably more real and valid than not.

And in this case, you accrue no benefits from handloads and a lot of potential liabilities, so safe rather than sorry.
 
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