Beretta 92A1 failure to eject/load...help please

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luckyc1423

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I just went to the range and I am having issues with my beretta 92A1.
Every 3 rounds or so either the gun fails to eject the casing and the casing gets stuck or the gun fails to fully and properly load the next round (bullet is somewhat point updwards. When I barely pull back on the rail then the bullet feeds properly into the barrel.
Also when the gun fires the last round the rail does not stay back like a normal gun will do when all the bullets have been shot.

Background Info:
I bought the gun about three weeks ago. I took the gun to the range immediately after buying the gun and put about 200 rounds through the gun and it performed flawless. No misfires and no issues what so ever.
Yesterday I decided to clean the gun for the first time before taking it to the range today.
I went out and bought an Otis cleaning kit from Walmart and a can of Birchwood casey gun scrubber (synthetic safe)
I cleaned the inside of the barrel with the brushes that the Otis kit comes with and I cleaned the inside of the barrel with a few drops of the 085 ultra bore liquid that the kit comes with.  I put a few drops on a cloth and pulled the cloth through 3 times. I then pulled the brush through three times. After that I kept pulling cloths through until I felt it was cleaning. Then I put a couple drops of the Otis 085 ultra bore onto a cloth and pulled it through a couple more times.
After I cleaned the inside of the barrel I was done with the Otis cleaning kit and moved onto the gun scruber.
After cleaning the inside of the barrel I sprayed the gun scrubber all over the gun and I used q-tips to clean all the gunk out (outside of the gun and on the rails. I basically cleaned everything with the scrubber). I sprayed a lot of the gun scrubber onto the gun and kept using q-tips.
Once I felt that I got most of the gunk out I then re-assembled the gun.

Note: I am really new to firearms and this was my first time fully cleaning any gun by myself.
I think I must have done something wrong while cleaning the gun. I mean the gun worked flawlessly from the factory and then once I cleaned the gun and took it out today to shoot it that’s when it started jamming.

What did I do wrong?
 
Barry that is not a dumb question because I am so new into cleaning my own guns.

I wrote down exactly what I did in the cleaning process. I used the birchwood gun scrubber pretty heavily on the gun then I used q-tips to wipe it off and get the "gunk" off.
I guess I was thinking the gun scrubber lubricated the weapon, but I assume I am wrong?

I watched several youtube videos before cleaning to be sure I was doing the proper steps. Most of the videos watched showed guys using a spray material then q-tips to clean it up and then I didnt see any lubricants added afterwards so I assumed the spray is the lubricant.

Did I miss a step and watch the wrong videos? Or is the gun scrubber just the wrong "spray" to use?
 
It can be a little confusing because some products clean and lube, but not sure Gun Scrubber is one of them. I will admit I’ve never used it, but believe it is just a cleaner.

I’ve provided a link to a company called Brownells. They have some excellent educational videos and I’ve linked to the ones on the Beretta 92. There are four separate videos, so take a look and see if this helps any.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/k=beretta/cid=0/tid=0/GunTech/
 
so it sounds like I missed a step then (I will watch those videos)

If infact I missed the lubing step, that will cause the gun to fail to load..ect..?




So the proper steps should be:
1) clean inside of barral with my otis cleaning kit
2) Get some type of spray cleaner and spray the entire gun down and clean with stuff like q-tips
3) get a lubricant and lubricate the entire gun
 
If infact I missed the lubing step, that will cause the gun to fail to load..ect..?
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Not properly lubricating the gun may be the cause of your problem or it may not be, but it is still an important step for function and long term reliability. When you do lubricate the gun follow the recommendations in the videos and your owner’s manual. Be careful not to use too much lubricant which could cause other issues.

Another possibility could be ammunition related. Are you using lower cost ammo which is often referred to as “range ammo”? If so sometimes this ammo is lower powered and may not cycle the gun properly. So, you might try some higher quality ammo.
 
just watched the videos, I definitely missed the lubricating step. I guess my gun scrubber is not an all in one cleaner and lubricater.

Few questions:

1) what lubricator would you recomend that can easily be picked up at gander mountain or walmart? (both close by)

2) What spray cleaner would you recommend that I can get at walmart or gander mountain to get the gunk off with q-tips..ect.. (was using gun scrubber)

3) Do you think this is what caused my issues?

4) the video was pretty vague on the lubracting stuff. The video shows lubricating the slide rail and the front of the barral. Are you not suppose to lubricate the hand grips and the rest of the outside of the gun once assembled to prevent rust? --> They say give the gun a wipedown with a wrag or cloth.

5) if i am suppose to lubricate the entire gun once assembled do I put it up for storage basically "wet" from being lubricated?
 
Honestly any of the gun lubricants that Gander Mountain has will probably be fine. You can spend hours reading post on this site or on Google about gun lubricants and get a thousand different opinions. As time goes by you may want to do that, but for now just get something from Hoppes, Rem Oil or Birchwood-Casey the same folks that make Gun Scrubber.

Unless you are putting the gun away for long term storage I would not lubricate the outside. Wipe it down good with a dry cloth after you reassemble it and they’ll be enough residue left to do the trick.
 
Thanks guys!

I have 3 magazines. 1 I keep my self defense ammo in at all times and 2 that I use for the range.

These are the same 2 magazines I used when I went to the range the first time without issues. Ammo & magazines were the exact same.
1 range visit the gun performed great
1 range visit it didnt.

the only difference in between is that I cleaned the gun --> sounds like i missed the lubricating part.
 
I just put a empty magazine into the gun and pulled the slide all the way back and it locked the slide back on its own.

When I was at the range and shot my last round in the magazine (magazine empty) the slide would never catch and keep it back.

Thus I am thinking the slide was not going back far enough at the range to lock and stay open.
And I would say if that was happening then it wasnt also going back far enough to let a new round load properly or let a old round exit.

I am hoping it wasnt going back far enough because I didnt lubricate it. Makes sense to me, no lubrication = friction.
 
this doesn't seem to be a gun cleaning issue.

I suspect something's up with the mags and extractor.

Problem 1: fail to feed with bullet pointing upward is indicative of a very strong recoil spring that is not allowing the slide to reciprocate far enough. Or the magazine spring is weak and doesn't want to feed rounds fast enough.

problem 2: fail to extract and eject is indicative of an extractor going bad or a dirty chamber.

Is this pistol new or used?


EDIT: slide wont lock back? Could be a recoil spring being too strong or really weak ammo. What ammo is this?
 
The gun is brand new.

As mentioned I took it to the range when it was brand new. It had a lot of greAse from the factory. I took it to the range the first time brand new without cleaning it and it performed great with not 1 issue.

I then cleaned it and took it to the range a second time and that's when I had issues
 
So you took it to the range and had no problems.

Then you took it apart, cleaned it, then put it back together.

And then you took it to the range a second time and had problems?

Maybe you missed a part while putting it back together. :D

So you're having problems with 115gr but not 124gr?
 
First range visit was only 124 grain -- no problems

Took it apart cleaned it put it back together and I'm pretty sure I put it back together right as I watched several stripping videos

Gun range the second time I had 2 rounds already loaded in the magazine -- 124 grains. They had issues.
Then used those bullets up and had 115 grain. Those had issues to
 
What i understand is that certain problems are related to a certain cause.

However, what I also understand is that dirty or damaged chamber walls can be the cause of ALL your pistols problems, failure to feed, failure to eject, and failure to extract, and failure to lock back the slide.

i would love to see what you may have inadvertantly did to the chamber after cleaning.
 
Gunscrubber removes every last vestige of any lubricating oil on the gun -- not just most of it, but literally all of it. If you haven't yet shot the gun while it's properly lubricated, do that before trying to diagnose other causes. Also, Beretta's magazines can come with lots of packing grease inside, which can cause reliability problems from the outset in some cases or after gunpowder residue has begun to accumulate. The mags should be thoroughly cleaned. They should not be lubed, but I'm not sure they should be de-lubed to the extent of Gunscrubber's action. I would clean them out with Breakfree CLP and and then clean off the CLP with two or three dry cotton patches.
 
Could the recoil spring be put in backwards? Or mis-assembled in some other way?

I would be tempted to strip it again and reassemble, insuring the fiddley-bits are all lined up and locked together orrectly.
 
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