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PreserveFreedom
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You see few of these on the market and they tend to run a good buck. Why so expensive? Is it the rarity? Does anyone here own one? How reliable are they?
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
Kinda useless if you ask me.
Belt feed on a semi is as useful as a kickstand on a dog, as far as I'm concerned.
Unless you're talking of a semiauto replica of a belt-fed MG, in which case, it allows you to shoot a non-class 3 "MG."
As far as reliability goes, a belt-fed weapon can be less reliable unless the belts are kept in a box. It's pretty easy to pick up dirt and so forth in the links and gunk up the works. It may look cool to carry your rounds bandito style, but it's not so smart.
Probably brings the high price due to low volume of manufacture.
Unless you're talking of a semiauto replica of a belt-fed MG, in which case, it allows you to shoot a non-class 3 "MG."
As far as reliability goes, a belt-fed weapon can be less reliable unless the belts are kept in a box. It's pretty easy to pick up dirt and so forth in the links and gunk up the works. It may look cool to carry your rounds bandito style, but it's not so smart.
Probably brings the high price due to low volume of manufacture.
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PreserveFreedom
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The reason I am interested is...
A belt fed semi would not take a detatchable magazine and would therefore not fall prey to the capacity limits of the Klinton Krime Bill.
A belt fed semi would not take a detatchable magazine and would therefore not fall prey to the capacity limits of the Klinton Krime Bill.
I'll confess. I have one of those belt fed semis. It is a belt fed Browning M1919. I may be simple minded but to me it is a lot of fun to shoot. Expensive? Ohio Rapid Fire is selling semi-auto M1919s for ABOUT $1400. Pretty close to the price of a "loaded" M1A in walnut and stainless. Don't get me wrong, I am still keeping the M1As but the semi-auto M1919 is a lot cheaper than a full auto plus it takes longer to go through the belt! The M1919 is built like a tank and runs like a thoroughbred horse!
I agree with Bruegger regarding belted ammo storage. It is best to use the GI ammo cans.
Here is a web site for the M1919 http://www.1919a4.com
I agree with Bruegger regarding belted ammo storage. It is best to use the GI ammo cans.
Here is a web site for the M1919 http://www.1919a4.com
The M1919 like Different has sounds pretty cool. That's the kind of application where this makes sense. I was thinking about individual weapons when I compared belt-fed semis to the canine kickstands.
In fact, I'm a little jealous of Different. Crew-served MGs are motivating (though I'd hate to pay to feed one). If I was gonna buy one, I'd want a Maxim in 8mm Mauser.
Different - do you have the T&E and the whole deal? Do you have a copy of the USMC pub "Machineguns & Machinegun Gunnery?" It's the definitive manual for MG employment. It even has charts for using the MG in indirect fire mode, firing from defilade, using a spotter. Pretty cool.
As for a belt-fed escaping the crime bill, I'm not sure about that. Does it say "magazine" or "ammunition feeding device" (or something like that)? If it's the latter, you're SOL I think.
Semper fi.
Bruegger out.
In fact, I'm a little jealous of Different. Crew-served MGs are motivating (though I'd hate to pay to feed one). If I was gonna buy one, I'd want a Maxim in 8mm Mauser.
Different - do you have the T&E and the whole deal? Do you have a copy of the USMC pub "Machineguns & Machinegun Gunnery?" It's the definitive manual for MG employment. It even has charts for using the MG in indirect fire mode, firing from defilade, using a spotter. Pretty cool.
As for a belt-fed escaping the crime bill, I'm not sure about that. Does it say "magazine" or "ammunition feeding device" (or something like that)? If it's the latter, you're SOL I think.
Semper fi.
Bruegger out.
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PreserveFreedom
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If the ban does include belts, I would have no qualms about attatching some ten round runs together with a spare link when needed.
Excellent book - definitely worth reading
The full title is FMFRP 6-15, Machineguns and Machinegun
Gunnery. It's an official USMC publication, and I don't know if places like Amazon stock it. It's not so easy to get even if you're in the Corps. People tend to grab a copy and hoard it.
But you're in luck!
I did a Google search for you and found it on the web at http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/mcwp3151.pdf
So you have what amounts to a light machine gun configuration. Most of the cooler stuff requires a tripod and T&E (traversing and elevation) setup.
Still, you'll find the book to be good reading, I think.
Semper fi.
Bruegger out.
The full title is FMFRP 6-15, Machineguns and Machinegun
Gunnery. It's an official USMC publication, and I don't know if places like Amazon stock it. It's not so easy to get even if you're in the Corps. People tend to grab a copy and hoard it.
But you're in luck!
I did a Google search for you and found it on the web at http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/mcwp3151.pdf
So you have what amounts to a light machine gun configuration. Most of the cooler stuff requires a tripod and T&E (traversing and elevation) setup.
Still, you'll find the book to be good reading, I think.
Semper fi.
Bruegger out.
SEC. 07. BAN OF LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES.
http://www.recguns.com/senAW.html
(a) Prohibition. - Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - - 06, is amended by adding at the end the following
new subsection:
'(u)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition
feeding device.
'(2) This subsection does not apply to -
'(A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency of the
United States or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
'(B) the lawful transfer or lawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was lawfully possessed before
the effective date of this subsection; or
'(C) the transfer or possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed
importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Secretary.'.
(b) Definition of Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device. - Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - -
02(b), is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: '(30) The term 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' -
'(A) means -
'(i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to
accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and
'(ii) any combination of parts from which a device described in clause (i) can be assembled; but
'(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire
ammunition.'.
(c) Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices Treated as Firearms. - Section 921(a)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended in the
first sentence -
(1) by striking 'or (D) any destructive device.'; and
(2) by inserting '(D) any destructive device; or (E) any large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(d) Penalty. - Section 924(a)(1)(B) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - - 02(c), is amended by striking 'or (s)' and
inserting '(s), or (u)'.
(e) Identification Markings for Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices. - Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended
by section - - 02(d), is amended by adding at the end the following new sentence: 'A large capacity ammunition feeding device
manufactured after the date of enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was
manufactured or imported after the effective date of this subsection, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulation
prescribe.'.
http://www.recguns.com/senAW.html
(a) Prohibition. - Section 922 of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - - 06, is amended by adding at the end the following
new subsection:
'(u)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition
feeding device.
'(2) This subsection does not apply to -
'(A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency of the
United States or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;
'(B) the lawful transfer or lawful possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device that was lawfully possessed before
the effective date of this subsection; or
'(C) the transfer or possession of a large capacity ammunition feeding device by a licensed manufacturer or licensed
importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Secretary.'.
(b) Definition of Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device. - Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - -
02(b), is amended by adding at the end the following new paragraph: '(30) The term 'large capacity ammunition feeding device' -
'(A) means -
'(i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to
accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition; and
'(ii) any combination of parts from which a device described in clause (i) can be assembled; but
'(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire
ammunition.'.
(c) Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices Treated as Firearms. - Section 921(a)(3) of title 18, United States Code, is amended in the
first sentence -
(1) by striking 'or (D) any destructive device.'; and
(2) by inserting '(D) any destructive device; or (E) any large capacity ammunition feeding device.'.
(d) Penalty. - Section 924(a)(1)(B) of title 18, United States Code, as amended by section - - 02(c), is amended by striking 'or (s)' and
inserting '(s), or (u)'.
(e) Identification Markings for Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Devices. - Section 923(i) of title 18, United States Code, as amended
by section - - 02(d), is amended by adding at the end the following new sentence: 'A large capacity ammunition feeding device
manufactured after the date of enactment of this sentence shall be identified by a serial number that clearly shows that the device was
manufactured or imported after the effective date of this subsection, and such other identification as the Secretary may by regulation
prescribe.'.
George Hill
Staff Alumnus
How do you date the LINKS?!?!
Pre Ban links?
Pre Ban links?
Oh my gosh! Heaven forbid that there should be little bits of metal (links) that were made after 1994 in the hands of lowly and untrustworthy civilians.... stupid politicians... arg!
I keep waiting for the SKRIKE 5.56 to be released:
http://www.usit.com/ares/
Not very practical as a closed bolt MG, but it would be a kick in the pants for plinking with your AR15. Besides, you could really show off at the gun range.
I keep waiting for the SKRIKE 5.56 to be released:
http://www.usit.com/ares/
Not very practical as a closed bolt MG, but it would be a kick in the pants for plinking with your AR15. Besides, you could really show off at the gun range.