BB Shot Vs Buckshot

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Narcoleptic Warrior

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I live in the suburbs of my country's capital city and using the layout of my front/back yards and my house, the longest distance for a home defense shot is 15 meters.

With this in mind, I have considered the two following loads for use in my 12ga shotgun.

Winchester Ranger 2 3/4" high velocity shells loaded with 1 1/8 oz of BB shot at 1350ft/s?
http://www.olin.com.au/enlarge/field_shotshells.html

or
Winchester super X 2 3/4" shells loaded with 00 buck?
http://www.winchester.com/products/catalog/shotdetail.aspx?symbol=XB120012&bn=1&use=4&gauge=12

The ranger shells cost US$0.26/shell while the super X shells cost US$0.79/shell.

Which shell kicks harder? I can just about tolerate the kick of the BB shells and don't think I can handle anything heavier in recoil.

Based on 1) recoil, 2) cost and 3) close range effectiveness, which load should I choose?
 
You MUST tolerate the recoil somehow because #00-buck is the better choice here...you're in trouble if you can't.

But to reduce said recoil, add a recoil-reducing stock or add weight to your gun, but you DO need to deal with the recoil somehow as the heavier 00-buck is the better choice due to the range. If it were inside a home/room, that's be a different story but shooting outside from within your house -- that could happen in my HD case, too -- use 00-buck.

Besides, how many rounds of 00-buck do you think you'll be firing in a HD scenario? Probably not many -- which means not a lot of recoil to deal with -- and under stress when shooting ANY gun, most people don't even remember the recoil afterwards.

Good luck,

-- John D.

P.S. If cost of ammo is a problem, get into reloading, which has other benefits other than reducing ammo costs.

JD
 
Reduced recoil 00 buck has been shown to be effective for HD. Going outside the house is not going to be considered SD in my opinion.
 
Try some #4 buckshot at the range. I personally think that's about the best. Plenty of carnage for the BG, but not too likely to over-penetrate and hurt someone else.
 
I think that #4 buck would do very well at close ranges and still penetrate far enought to reach the vitals. it would also be less likely to go through several walls like 00 buck. Don't worry about the kick, it you ever have to use the shotgun in a real situation you won't notice it at all.
 
NW,

Make sure your shotgun fits you properly, and that your form/gun mount etc. are good. If you don't have friends or family members to help you, look for a gun club, hunter safety course, NRA basic training course (see http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp to locate a class) or the like, to make sure you get your basics nailed down correctly.

Find yourself some light- recoiling birdshot loads (7/8 ounce, 1 ounce max) to use, to train and practice with your shotgun. Heavy loads at high velocities are going to hurt and that's not necessary for learning to run the gun.

Do look at getting some reduced recoil buckshot to use as a defensive load if recoil is a problem for you. Use some of that in practice also so that you have confidence in your ability to control it and hit with it.

Train safe- Stay safe,

lpl/nc
 
The buckshot is going to kick harder, but they're not going to give you the spread target loads will. Get some slugs and let me know how they are:D, I love shooting the 2-3/4 "sluggers" out of my remington 18".
 
Lee Lapin, I don't think they have the NRA in other countries. It's the National Rifle Association, not the International Rifle Association.
 
mete,

In a SHTF situation (or in France where Islamists riot with impunity) -- where there is no law -- all bets are off...do whatever you need to do. Repelling boarders -- shooting out your windows at punks in the yard -- is quite acceptable.

And here in Texas, someone engaged at night even in criminal mischief -- like trying to break into your car -- can be shot that way at a distance.

So expand your mind a bit and consider the possibilities.

-- John D.
 
Just a story but it has relevance..

I was curious as to how 00 Buckshot performed at longer ranges. One day at my friends farm we were shooting my .308 at about 100-125 yards at a wooden pallet with a police training target stapled to the front. I shot a 3in Magnum 00 Buckshot load out of my 28in Rem 870 and all but three projectiles (12 out of 15) landed on target (that is actually hit the bad guy on the target). This coupled with the fact that it knocked the pallet over coupled with the rounds short range destruction make it my #1 choice for HD.
 
England has an NRA. But yeah, not doing much there except begging the Man for some special permits to hold events.

I'm proud to be uncivilized in that sense.

Oh yeah 00 Buckshots rule. The deers I took with my shotgun didn't complain.:D
 
Savage10FP308,

For your reading enjoyment...


TEXAS CONCEALED
HANDGUN LAWS
AND SELECTED STATUTES

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/ls-16.pdf

Page 57:

PC §9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person
in lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is justified in
using force against another when and to the degree the actor reasonably
believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent or terminate
the other's trespass on the land or unlawful interference with the
property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible, movable
property by another is justified in using force against the other when
and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately
necessary to reenter the land or recover the property if the actor
uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit after the dispossession
and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no claim of right
when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using force,
threat, or fraud against the actor.


PC §9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible,
movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under
Section 9.41; and
TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS 53
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly
force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary,
robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal
mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing
burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime
from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by
any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover
the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial
risk of death or serious bodily injury.


Now, some people will say that shooting people over theft is excessive. I say that's their opinion. Mine is it's not and good riddance to the punks/gangsters/thieves.

The concept that everyone's life is "sacred" and actually worth something is pure BS...not street-reality at all.

Regardless, some people ask, "Is your TV set (for example) worth someone's life?"

I say, "Yes, it is. Contrary to ignorant popular belief, lots of people's lives -- criminals for example -- aren't worth crap, so yes, my TV set IS worth more."

Bang.

Each of us has to decide whether to shoot or not re: criminal mischief or theft (at night) in Texas...I choose to shoot. So please, no lectures about consequences...I couldn't care less about the aftermath, court appearances, being arrested, whatever. And being a former combat vet, I lose no sleep over taking out the trash.

Others can do as they wish, but they shouldn't second-guess those of us who will shoot, and who take the "war on crime" seriously....unlike most two-faced wimp BS politicians.

This so-called "war on crime" we all hear about is really a big joke just like "the war on drugs" is.

But not at my house.

-- John D.
 
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