BATF RAID: ANOTHER DEATH

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Victim's family at odds with law
Police maintain shooting of Carl Ray Wilson was justified

By SAMANTHA HUSEAS
Log Cabin Staff Writer
http://thecabin.net
Wednesday, January 17, 2001
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By Samantha Huseas

As the formal investigation into the shooting death of Carl Ray Wilson continues, his family, as well as the Arkansas State Police, have released statements.

Wilson's brother, Steve Wilson of Fayetteville, sent the family's statement to the Log Cabin Democrat via e-mail after a brief telephone conversation in which he said his brother was no longer the man police have said he was.

Carl Ray Wilson, 60, died Friday morning at his home, east of Mayflower, as the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, with assistance from the Conway SWAT team and Faulkner County Special Response Team "conducted a lawful search warrant on the residence of Carl Ray Wilson in Mayflower," according to the State Police statement.

The contents of the search warrant are not being released by officials but a copy of the warrant was apparently left with family members. They have said officers were looking for a rifle.

"A distraction device was deployed and officers announced," according to the police statement. "Upon entry, officers were fired upon by (the) suspect, defensive shots were returned. Carl Wilson was shot and died on the scene."

The police statement said Sgt. Jason Young of the Sheriff's Office "received a round from the suspect which was deflected by body armor. Officer Larry Hearn of the Conway Police Department was also injured in the exchange." Both were treated and released from Conway Regional Medical Center that morning.

"The Arkansas State Police investigation has revealed no evidence of wrong doing on the part of the Metro Swat team or any other agency," the police release concludes.

The family's statement differs from that of the police's on how entry was made. The release follows:

"Carl Wilson has been painted out to be an explosives and weapons outlaw, instead he was, in fact, a retired construction worker, father, and grandfather on disability. His favorite pastime was playing dominos.

"He cooperated with the investigation, and testified for the prosecution in the infamous Mary Lee Orsini case, in which Mr. (Bill) Buford, of the ATF, was an investigator.

"Mr. Buford was heard saying to Carl Wilson after the Orsini case, 'I'll get you.'

"The last two months Carl sold Christmas trees and pecans to the public along the roadside. Why couldn't the police have just arrested him there, if they had a surveillance team investigating him?

"Contrary to reports appearing in the papers to date, to the effect that shooting was taking place as police approached the house, the police entered at dawn, unannounced, dressed in dark clothes and black masks. The alarm clock went off and immediately there were shots fired. Did the alarm set off an already tense situation?

"The family is adamant that Carl would not have drawn or fired a weapon at any police officer, but like many, he would have defended his family against intruders, and for that he was gunned down in his own bedroom, and bled to death on his own bed.

"The family wants to know why so much force was necessary to serve a simple search warrant, for only one deer rifle and ammunition? Carl was a man who was always cooperative with any investigation, and lived a simple, open, day to day life. He has a proven history of cooperation with law enforcement.

"The family also questions why a safer method was not used, instead of jeopardizing the lives of family members and police officers? There just ought to be a better way to do these things.

"Was the Faulkner County Police Department and the SWAT team possibly mislead, perhaps used as pawns, to satisfy a personal vendetta? A lot of questions are left unanswered.

"We feel Melody Piazza (deputy prosecutor) pinpointed Carl Wilson's personality. He was an 'old outlaw reformed.'

"Any memorials for Carl Wilson may be donated to his church: Bayou Meto Baptist Church."

The State Police investigation is continuing but is not expected to take long. The Conway Police Department will also conduct an administrative inquiry, according to Sgt. Susan Wilson, and it too should not take long to conclude, she said.

(Staff writer Samantha Huseas can be reached by phone at 505-1253 or e-mail at sam@thecabin.net)
 
Hmmm ...

all this, over a rifle? Something smells.

The contents of the search warrant are not being released by officials but a copy of the warrant was apparently left with family members. They have said officers were looking for a rifle.

"A distraction device was deployed and officers announced," according to the police statement. "Upon entry, officers were fired upon by (the) suspect, defensive shots were returned. Carl Wilson was shot and died on the scene."

What is it with some LEO's these days? The majority are decent folks, but this SWAT crap is overused, IMHO.

And, you know what ... with these COPS shows, more and more of us are finding out what it means when they say they announce they are police ... in the middle of the night they rap the door a couple times, yell 'Police!' and break down the door. I don't know about anyone else, but if I'm in a deep sleep, this doesn't translate into communication with me ...

I don't care why the guy fired on these LEO's. [think about it ...] What the hell were they doing with a dynamic entry in a case like this? Will we be clucking our tongues over John Smith who is gunned down in a dynamic entry over a parking ticket? 'Gee, he shouldn't have resisted.'?

I'm so tired of reading stories like this. I would hope some LEO's are speaking up within their industry. Mistakes happen, and who knows ... this entire story could be bogus. But, considering how often we read these things, I now tend to believe the worst.

And, for what? How can the BATF explain to Wilson's family exactly why this had to happen? I do hope GW and friends followup on this story.

Regards from AZ
 
This is repugnant and disgraceful!

I agree with Jeff Thomas that the entire story is not being told.

What thoughts are going through the minds of the leaders of this extremist, out-of-control agency when they continue to utilize this deadly entry technique to execute a simple search warrant for minor offenses? They already have overwhelming force at their disposal. These people are looking to kill folks plain and simple.

In line with Oleg’s graphics about “punching through”, sooner or later these folks will encounter someone that is loaded for bear and will slice and dice the JBT’s that come crashing through the door in the middle of the night. When this type of behavior becomes too expensive for them, it will stop.

Skyhawk
 
Actually, they won't stop. When they realize that they plan to kill people anyway, they will simply start using snipers OR hose the place with a belt-fed after firing it. Currently, they are keeping up appearances of "police work"...eventually, they will start calling it a "War on Crime" and start killing -criminals- (that's us, folks).
 
Oleg,

They ALREADY have started killing us, they just are not yet calling it a "War" yet. They have been fighting it like a war for years now, i.e no knocks, SWAT, ect, ect. Since when do police (serving warrants), need to be trained (in come case BY the military), equipped, and dressed like the military. (and in most cases MORE heavily armed than the average grunt in terms of small arms)

not a war?? please.
 
The difference it that they still pretend that the object of the raid is to capture someone, not to kill them outright. Hmmm...hasn't E-grouppe been operating like that?
 
Oleg,

Sure lets "capture" them, but lets toss a few grenades in there first, then go in with guns ready if they move shoot them..

If they do commit MURDER in these raids, they have nothing to fear as they KNOW they will NOT be arrested. This has been shown to be the case in courts MANY times. :barf:
 
An analogy has occured to me

A hunter shoots a deer...and other deer stand around thinking "what was that? aah, never mind, that wasn't me..."

[Edited by Oleg Volk on 01-23-2001 at 12:03 PM]
 
Looks to me like alot of questions left to be answered. But it will be swept under the rug, again. I'm surprised they didn't use tanks to get the door open.
 
Bloody hell. My sympathies go out to the family of the deceased.

Why the fascination with flash-bangs? I never liked the damn things to begin with, and if someone manages to get to a rifle and tag two officers after the 'distraction device' was deployed, just off-paw I'd say it wasn't too distracting.

When this type of behavior becomes too expensive for them, it will stop.

No, it won't. LEO's will get more tightly wound up, more trigger-happy, change their tactics, use dynamic entries for even larger number of situations and more people will get killed.

The only, I say again my last: the only thing that will stop this type of behavior is the Secretary of the Treasury ordering the ATF not to employ their SWAT team except under very limited and very strict guidelines.

LawDog
 
LawDog -

Keep in mind, the BATF was only one of three agencies that perpetrated this raid. The others were both local law enforcement agencies. It would be nice if it were only the evil federal thugs that were pulling this crap, but that is demonstratably not the case. There are plenty of thrill-kill cowboys in the state/local police biz who gravitate towards black jumpsuits, flash-bangs, and MP5s.

I do agree that all police agencies need a set of highly restrictive, hard-and-fast rules as to whether a SWAT team should even exist in the given jurisdiction, to say nothing of when and how it should be employeed. Perhaps many high-dollar lawsuits would be the proper tool to establish such rules.

Later,
Chris
 
We know the Justice Dept considers the perpetrators of these action as above the law.

We know that during high stress, sound and vision become distorted. Can you tell if its a cop at 4 am, wakened out of a deep sleep, sound and vision distorted? Or is all you see black ski masks and guns?
 
I hope they learned something, made up stories are only good if they're one sided. Next time just shoot the whole family!!!!
 
The sad part is that all anyone will do about this is to sit around and 'talk' about how bad things are getting. When will we GET OFF OUR COLLECTIVE ASSES and start taking these things seriously. When someone in OUR OWN family goes down? I seriously doubt it. The time for action is now! Unfortunately, no one, INCLUDING ME will do anyting. And we will fall, one at a time. There will be no giant rush to take our rights away, when we all just sit around and do NOTHING about it as it occurs.
 
Clinton and his cronies will continue to do this so long as he is President. I'm telling you... oh... wait a minute...

Oh, well, um, er, (stammer) This is a tragedy ... but it CAN'T happen again now that Bush - the saviour of the Second Amendment and Bill of Rights - is President.

Must be a false article.... ;)
Bush can't fix things over night.... ;)
Grandpa wouldn't have been shot dead in his bed if he had cooperated "reasonably".... ;)
The SWAT team were only doing their job.... ;)
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Okay, all you Republican apologists. You're up!
 
I'm up off my ass

I'm up off my ass and am looking for suggestions of what you recomend we do once up. Do you have any ideas of what can be done to keep us from "falling one at a time." Wallew says "the time for action is now," what do we need to do? Just standing here (now that I'm off my ass) isn't going to do much as far as I can see. Seriously, what should I do now that I'm on my feet?

Thanks,
Erik

MOLON LABE!
 
First of all we should find out if this alleged outrage is true and be provided with the facts therin. That is if this is the ONE TRUE OUTRAGE that we are going to get up off of our butts over.
Ideas??? Vote you say ? We have been doing that for 220+ years. We have voted ourselves into this let the government take care of my situation and the current situation is horrible!
First and foremost, the News Media needs to be convinced to report the news and not the spin. How?
The government of our country has grown to be so massive that cutting the huge waste down to size would put a very large segment of our population out of work. What to do about this?
For the most part, politicians live off of the wealth of all of the tax payers while making a living for themselves. To continue to make this living they work hard at being re elected. Elections cost a shi@ load of money so they do what is needed. What to do about this?
I can't purchase NBC but if I could I think that I could turn this whole thing around in less than 30 years.
Off My Box
 
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