Barrel pin?

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ZVP

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The Model 10 HB I just bought has a Baddssl pin.
Why?
Is it specific to sertain dash-runs?
Does this mean the barrel is not threaded in? Is it a desireable thing?
I'm brand new to S&W's and want to learn all I can about this Model 10! I have wanted one ever since I first saw them! Just something about the rugged look about the revolver!
I have shot the revolver and it is superbly accurate, way better than I can shoot!
Thanks for any info on this.
BPDave
 
A baddssi pin? I assume you mean barrel pin. First, all S&W revolver barrels are screwed in, not just pinned. The reason for the pin was that S&W once fitted their barrels rather loosely and the pin was needed to keep the barrel from turning under the torque of the bullet. In the last few years, they went to a barrel crush fit and the pin is no longer needed. Some folks use the pin as an indicator of the older guns which they consider better made or better fitted.

The changes are available by dash number and approximate date, but not by serial number.

Jim
 
I'll say this, any late S&W revolver that has been rebarreled ought to be pinned!

The original barrel, O.K. But a replacement barrel, even if done by S&W, will need that pin.

Bob Wright
 
S&W revolvers had pinned barrels until approximately 1982 when, as James pointed out, the method of fitting the barrel changed and the pins became unnecessary. Also dropped at that time, in centerfire magnum calibers, were recessed (counterbored) chambers. They were originally only used for magnum and rimfire calibers - the .22 rimfire revolvers still have them. You'll often hear a revolver referred to as "P & R", which means "pinned" and "recessed." Opinions vary about whether each feature is indicative of higher quality, but (with the exception of the recessed chambers in the .22s) they're certainly indicative of a gun that's over 30 years old and was made at a time when some believe quality was higher than it is now. Others disagree.

Because the change(s) were made across the board at approximately the same time, different models were at different points in their production history and therefore there's no single "dash" variation that corresponds to the P&R change. Models that were introduced post-1982 obviously were never produced as P&R.
 
sorry for the typo

Yes I meant Barrel Pin, sorry!
Well good! SInce this gun hasn't been rebarreled, it was always a 4"HB, then the pin means older gun, better manufactured!
I don't have the gun here to look at ass it's in the Gun SHop's safe. Even though it was a private sale, we decided to do it right and totally legal and go thru the pqaperwork and WP. My buddy has a topsecret clearance and is scared to death of any infractions... Hell it was only $35 and it puts his mind at ease, mine too.
So the barrel pin will show up on the "dash" revisions date? maybe once the gun gets home I can run down the actual age of the revolver!
I really appreciate all the answers you guys give! I am learning so much at my old age!
Thanks,
BPDave
 
The recessed chambers (countersunk for the rim) were thought necessary for the .357 because S&W didn't fully trust contemporary cartridge cases with the high pressure of the .357. If a case head blew, the thought was that the recess would contain the pressure. (Actually, it might have made things worse by trying to contain the gas rather than letting it escape, but that was not their thinking.)

The .22 recess is for the same reason - to contain the gas escape if a case head bursts. That is pretty uncommon today, but happened often in the days of copper and thinner brass cases. Other makers did the same thing, and I.J., in its Sealed 8, put a ridge around the cylinder, back and front, to contain escaping gas and also the flash from the barrel-cylinder gap.

Jim
 
When you next retrieve the revolver, share the first 3-4 digits of the serial number and someone will look up the year it was made. This info is readily available.
Even though it was a private sale, we decided to do it right and totally legal and go thru the pqaperwork and WP. My buddy has a topsecret clearance and is scared to death of any infractions... Hell it was only $35 and it puts his mind at ease, mine too.
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Some states require this, many do not. If your state law requires this then following the law is -THE- only way to go.

If your state does not require (this nonsense, as mine does not) please don't be misled by any thoughts of how such nanny-state red tape protects or benefits you in any manner. These are of course, my opinions, regardless of how emphatically I offer them. ;)
 
[private purchase through an FFL in state...]

If your state does not require (this nonsense, as mine does not) please don't be misled by any thoughts of how such nanny-state red tape protects or benefits you in any manner.
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I agree with Sevens. In my state at least, guns purchased through an FFL aren't checked against any kind of database to verify that they're stolen. The gun info, buyer info and seller info, goes into the FLL's files and held for some number of years (is it seven?). The BUYERs info is checked against the NIC database to see if he is restricted from buying, but the gun is not.

That may certainly not be the same for some states like CA or NY or others.


Sgt Lumpy
 
ZVP,
I've sorta tried twice to find out why you went through a dealer.
As mentioned, if your state does not require FFL transfer involvement, you've added NO legality to the transaction & you've achieved no real benefit.

You have, however, put your private party sale on paper accessible to your friendly federal government.
Most of us here tend to feel such things privately purchased are none of their business.

If your state does not require an FFL transfer on private sales, just conducting it yourselves was all the "legal" you needed.
Not to be dumping on you, just giving you something to think about if you ever buy another gun.
Denis
 
goes into the FLL's files and held for some number of years (is it seven?).
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I think (think?!) that if you remain an active FFL in business, you must keep them for twenty years, but if you go out of business or otherwise surrender your FFL, you must provide those documents (going back at least 20 years) to the Feds who take possession of them. :eek: Goodness only knows what happens to those 4473's at that point, and how long they are kept, and what fate they ever meet.
 
I understand the concern, but at one time those files from out of business dealers were simply filed, in boxes, in case something had to be looked up in connection with an active criminal investigation, something that almost never happened.

Even today, BATFE does not have the personnel to go back over 80 years of old forms and enter the data into computers.

If the day ever comes when BATFE (or a state police agency) decides to go through dealer books and seize all the guns on record, we are in very deep trouble, and the results would be, as computer manuals say, unpredictable.

Jim
 
I live in Calif and if any state has goofy requirements this one DOES!
I did id mainly for my buddy who as I said has a Top Secret Clearance and he didn't want to do anything to endanger his fine status for work.
I am in no way a government pawn nor do I want to be!
I did it for my buddy who's friendship is priceless and I REALLY wanted this gun!
I agree don't give em any info if you don't have to.
OOOH! this waiting is hell! Especally since I got to shoot it and try it out, already!
ZVP
 
Gun traces do happen.
Back when I had an FFL years ago I was contacted on a trace on one I'd sold.

There were others done through the PD I worked for.

My point is that, while I do not in any way advocate circumventing law or playing games, there's no need to run a private party purchase through an FFL where it's not required legally, and I see no benefit to placing such transactions on paper if all else is legal.

Denis
 
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