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KCK police officer shoots and kills gun-wielding man

A man holding a woman at gunpoint early Friday took aim at a Kansas City, Kan., police officer, who killed him with a shot from her weapon, authorities said.

Shortly after 2:15 a.m., officers were dispatched to a disturbance involving a man and woman in the 2200 block of Silver Court in the city's Argentine district. Police said they found a man pointing a handgun at a woman. When the man allegedly pointed the gun at police, a female officer, a seven-year veteran, shot and killed him.

The man was identified as Kerry Evans, 38, of Kansas City, Kan. According to court records, Evans was convicted in December 1993 of a sex-related offense. He served almost two years in state prison before being granted conditional supervised release in November 1994. He violated his parole in 1996 and was returned to prison. He was released in May 1998.

Evans was also pleaded guilty in April 2003 to one count of trafficking contraband in a correctional facility. In May 2003, he was granted 24 months of probation.

It was the third shooting involving a police officer in the city in as many months.

Earlier this month, a University of Kansas police officer shot and critically wounded a man who had driven a car through a fence surrounding a parking lot near 38th Avenue and Booth Street.

The officer, who has been with the department for 1½ years, said the man was walking away from his car and damaged fence when he allegedly pulled a knife and ran toward the officer. When he didn't stop, the officer shot the suspect.

The KU Police Department, which protects the medical center campus, placed the officer on routine administrative leave pending the outcome of an investigation into the shooting.

On Friday, Wyandotte County District Attorney Jerome A. Gorman ruled that the shooting was justifiable.

Gorman's office said the police car's video shows that the KU officer made many requests for the man to show his hand. The man charged the officer waving a knife in a menacing manner. The video showed that the officer then fired his handgun.

In December, a 22-year-old patrol officer shot Robert Austin, 40, of Austin, Texas, to death at Ninth Street and Splitlog Avenue after he lunged at officers with a knife.

Before being retiring in January, District Attorney Nick Tomasic ruled that shooting was justified.

Officer Todd Schumaker, a spokesman for the Kansas City, Kan., Police Department, said all shootings involving officers are taken extremely seriously.

“Police are given a great power by the people to uphold the law and to only use that (deadly) force when necessary,” Schumaker said. That's why the officer is placed on administrative leave until detectives are able to investigate the shooting to make sure that power was not abused, he said.

“We give it its full due,” Schumaker said. “It is not something they rubber stamp.”

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/10995987.htm
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What's going on with all these Police shootings? Surely, "something could have been done" {picture wringing of hands while stating this}



:eek: Sounds like a hot area. Can anyone tell us what it's like living there? Any CCW permits?
 
the man allegedly pointed the gun at police, a female officer, a seven-year veteran, shot and killed him.

Assuming that the man did in fact point the gun at the police...adios amigo. We have to allow the police that right. If you point your gun at someone, they have the right to assume you are going to use it to do them lethal injury, and act accordingly.
 
Looks to me like it would have been a justifiable shoot even if he hadn't pointed the gun at the cops. He WAS pointing it at a living human being....if the Officer had reason to believe that living human being's life was in danger, the shoot is justified right there.

In retrospect, looking at the guy's record, the Cop should get a Medal......from the Dept of Sanitation.
Rich
 
Looks to me like it would have been a justifiable shoot even if he hadn't pointed the gun at the cops. He WAS pointing it at a living human being....if the Officer had reason to believe that living human being's life was in danger, the shoot is justified right there.
This brings up a side issue, one of which I have never been real clear on. If a gunman has someone at gun point, and a LEO has a clear shot, can he take it? I have heard that if someone is shot, then sometimes their trigger finger will go ahead and fire...thus killing the hostage. I would think it would depend on whether the gunman is holding the victim at close prox., or is pointing the gun from a distance. I realize every situation is different, but is there a basic MO for such a situation?
 
This brings up a side issue, one of which I have never been real clear on. If a gunman has someone at gun point, and a LEO has a clear shot, can he take it?
Legally? In every jurisdiction I know the answer would be "Yes", assuming he had reasonable cause to believe the third person's life was in imminent danger. In reality, I think it would be situational: a domestic dispute would probably first draw a cease command; a serial hostage execution in progress would hopefully draw as much fire as humanly possible.

I have heard that if someone is shot, then sometimes their trigger finger will go ahead and fire...thus killing the hostage. I would think it would depend on whether the gunman is holding the victim at close prox., or is pointing the gun from a distance. I realize every situation is different, but is there a basic MO for such a situation?
The classic LE training response is a bullet (preferably from a long gun) thru the credit card sized area covering the eyes and nose (frontally); temple laterally; cranial center rearward.

In practice, I think you'll find that such shots are avoided at all cost, if an opening might be expected where the perp's gun will be pointing in a "safer" direction.

Traditional teaching is that a properly placed head shot drops the target like a Rag Doll. No motor reflex at all. But something is ringing a bell that this teaching has since been challenged. Gonna ask Denny and Jeff to weigh in on that.
Rich
 
As far as I know, shutting down the computer will also shut off all motor functions immediately and the entire body will go limp. There may be twitches and tightening of the muscles within a short time as the muscles become starved for blood/oxygen, but by then there is an extremely high probability that the bad guy is no longer holding a weapon.

As a side note, this would be a good shoot not only for an LEO, but a private citizen in some jurisdictions. In Arizona, for example, any citizen can shoot to prevent or stop: first degree burglary (your home) kidnapping, manslaughter, first or second degree murder, sexual assault, sexual conduct with a minor, child molestation, armed robbery or aggravated assault.

Denny
 
Thanks for the info guys.
As a side note, this would be a good shoot not only for an LEO, but a private citizen in some jurisdictions.
That answers my next question. I will have to check into the WV legalities. I must admit most of my "mental conditioning" since the day I first considered CCW has been issues of self defense, with little thought of acting in the behalf of a stranger. Not proud about the fact...just stating where my mind has been. I'll have to give it some thought: set some personal parameters.
 
Bang, you're Dead

Not long ago fairly well into the evening I saw car lights pull up behing a parked vehicle at my rural home. Being 100 yards off a busy highway I went out to investigate with a cocked and locked 1911 stuck in my trousers.

It was Sheriff's Deputies looking for a two legged critter down the Hwy about a mile. When they slowly got out and I saw who they were I announced that I was armed and meant them no harm and kept my hands away from the .45. They said "no sweat" and asked me where the whatsisname lived?

They went, I went in, everybody happy. Moral: be careful even when you are in the right, with LEO or anybody else.
 
Medula oblongata. Motor functions cease as the CNS and synaptic and sympathetic connections are severed. Long firearms are better with scopes better yet. As an aside, KC is in a battle to clean up and reduce crime. They are taking a stern and all the way attitude towards crimials and their actions. The mayor, police chief and commision are working together to change the bad reputation the city rightly earned. KC, MO is responding likewise to get rid of the criminal elements. BATF and US Marshals are also being used. They are achieving goals. The border twin cities are still losing population and tax revenues.
 
I think the LAST TWO shootings that were given as examples in this news story give truth to the old adage:

NEVER BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT!
 
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