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buzz_knox

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In the thread about what you would do if you were held up at gunpoint, someone commented that you could run and rely on a bad guy's shooting to keep you safe. I've seen this brought up repeatedly in other areas. My question is why anyone buys into this stupid and dangerous belief?

It's been known for years that gangs infiltrate members into the military in order to receive weapons training. These become cadre for the gangs, and teach their skills. Gangs are also infiltrating police agencies (i.e. LAPD). Also, many criminals may have law enforcement/military backgrounds. Anyone remember the two perps who took out the FBI in Miami in '86? If I recall, both were ex-military.

A basic rule of combat is never underestimate the enemy. So, why do we persist in believing that the other guy can't shoot straight? They seem to be about as effective as the police, and they have a higher kill rate per round fired than the military.

With my luck, the first time I'm attacked, it will be by an ex-SEAL who got booted for excessive brutality and can't find a job. I know I'll never be trained enough to match him, but I want to be able to at least compete.

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buzz_knox: Good point. Hypothetically speaking, when I am in this unfortunate position I assume that I am already dead. If I can inflict damage on my assailant before my demise, I die happy. If by some incredible stroke of luck, I not only manage to shoot my opponent but also survive....huh! The angels were indeed with me on that day. Stay safe.

[This message has been edited by nwgunman (edited April 28, 2000).]
 
Buzz Knox, I am 100% with you and your opinion. As to gangbangers joining military and police orgs, that is a fact.

As to running into someone who has some special trainning, I know for a fact, that several years ago, the L.A. Sheriff's Dept., had in custody on several misdemeanor charges, an ex-SEAL, who was one very angry person. Would he later flip and go "postal?" Who knows, but if he wanted to do some serious damage, he could.

I'm sure there are other examples of similar incidents with some highly trained people.

JMHO. J.B.
 
I'd rather draw on a pointed gun than turn my back on one. I can always pretend I am reaching for my wallet, while holding up my left hand ("hold on, brother, don't shoot")to draw the focus from my gun hand, and hope for the element of surprise.

Of course, it all depends on the BG. If he looks alert, physically fit and competent with his weapon, I might be out of luck. If he's stoned out of his mind and can barely hold on to his Lorcin, I'd figure my chances to be better than even.

[This message has been edited by lendringser (edited April 28, 2000).]
 
I am with you lendringser, I think turning your back to a threat is not the way to go. Gang bangers and the like have no reservations about shooting someone in the back so I don't think it would even matter. This is why I have decided that pocket carry is the only way for me to have a fighting chance most of the time. I can comfortably carry either my Glock 26 or Kel-Tec P-11 in my pocket without being made. Also, pocket carry gives me the opportunity to have my hand on my weapon while I am walking along without drawing undue attention to myself.

--Dean
 
Good points made all around. Of course we all know that there are too many variables to say what we would definitely do. If the BG already has the gun out and is competent, we might have to go along with his wishes until/if we get an opening. And having multiple BGs gives this senario an even worse set of "what ifs".

Truth is, I carry my gun more to protect my girlfriend than myself. This being true, I'd be much less likely to use violent force if I'm alone. I might be able to run away clean, and that's MUCH better than having to shoot someone.

HOWEVER, if my girl friend is with me (who is handicapped and can't run) I wouldn't even THINK about running away or even take the chance that the BG isn't going to hurt us. I'd have to assume the worst and try to fight my way out, if given any chance. One of the best reasons for strong side IWB carry. Hopefully, reaching for my wallet will give me the drop on the BG.

Here's to none of us ever needing to try...
 
Carry a valise. Label it "SNAKES". Tell the gangbangers that the hinge is weak and if they shoot you to be sure to call someone to get all the snakes.
 
How many of you experts, have done FOF exercises with simulated muggings and robberies?

You either comply, fight or run.

Running targets are not the easiest to hit.

BTDT - experiences from the rest of you?

If you got the space - run for your damn life
and forget the armchair horsepoop about SEAL trained muggers.
 
When the time comes you will do whatever your racing mind tells you to do.Whatever you practice in your mind will be your reaction.The rest is nothing .You will react,and perhaps even surprise yourself at how well you did.If you keep telling yourself to put distance between you and the bad guys thats what you will do.If you keep telling yourself to stay and pray, that's what you'll do.Keep practicing in your mind and you will survive,that is unless you don't think you will.
 
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