Backup Guns

TylerD45ACP

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I want to get a Colt Defender 45ACP pretty soon for my carry pistol. I have a S&W 1911 and carry the fullsize. I obviously do not want to carry fullsize forever and its really difficult in the summer. I like the Colt Defender and If its my carry it should be better that its stainless, right? The wear wont get it as much? So I got that covered, I know what I want to carry. Now I was wondering what people reccommend as a good backup gun. I really want to have something decent, not to big or small. I was wondering if I could gather some input about backups you guys carry? Please, any opinions on a BUG to get is wanted. Anyone who has a Colt Defender let me know what you think about that as well.
 
My BUG is a Polish P-64 9mm Makarov. Looks similar to a Walther PPK, close in size and weight too. Less than $200. I is simple, reliable, and I can fit it in a pocket. I use an Uncle Mike's #2 pocket holster for it. I sometimes carry it as my primary, if clothing is restrictive of my G26, or M&P 45 fullsized.
 
My BUG is a Smith J-frame 642-1 no-lock. It goes in a pocket holster on my weak side.

Once in a while, it ends up as my primary if I'm dressing particularly nicely but still want to carry.

I also have a PA-63 (9x18 mak like the above poster) that is not quite small enough for pocket carry. Unless I have REALLY big pockets.

My primary, 95% of the time, is a service sized pistol. Right now, an XD9.
 
My back up these days, is generally a Glock 26 and a Seecamp LWS32. The fact my 26 can use my 17's reloads if necessary, is pretty handy and desirable, and the "somewhat" little gun is accurate, and very easy to shoot well with. Sometimes I think its more accurate than its big brother.

The wear wont get it as much?
As far as SS goes in a carry gun, yes, its better than blued/parked steel as far as rust and corrosion goes, but it generally shows wear quicker than carbon steel, and tends to get beat up quicker.

Personally, I like carbon steel with a good corrosion resistant finish for carry over SS.
 
The Defender is a good primary, and I carried mine until I got the STI Shadow.

As for a bug, I would be comfortable with any of these...

Kahr PM9 or CW9
Ruger LCP
Ruger SP101
S&W Bodyguard
Sig P238
NAA Pug


...depending upon how much concealment I needed.
 
There are lots of good choices in small handguns out there. I variously carry a SW J-frame (Airweight), Ruger LCP, or Sig P238. If you like 1911s and want to carry a pistol with the same manual of arms, then look at the Sig P238.
 
My SEECAMP 32. is my primary with a SW MP40 .close by .Never leave home without My SEECAMP it is SECOND NATURE to stick it in my pocket:D
 
Thanks guys a lot of great information. I appreciate all responses and will be doing some research. The firearms you mention sound interesting and I will check them out. Thanks for the help guys.
 
I use a Ruger LCP in a holster in the back pocket. As discussed in another thread earlier, there is a wrong way to pocket carry. I like keeping mine back there. It's no more uncomfortable than a wallet, and most of the time I don't even realize it's there.
 
I guess the new rules are no pics on the website? Stupid lawsuits..

ANyhow, I would love to post the pic but I won't. My preferred BUG, which I take every single place I go, except for post office or any LE buildings, is my S&W 442 blued snubnose revolver. I find it invaluable and I also don't have any problem carrying a speed loader or two, so Ican usually port an additional 10 rounds with me, even in my shorts and t-shirt; when a full-sized frame pistol will not work for concealment.
 
Not really a backup gun, but my pocket gun is a S&W M36 in a Tagua Pocket holster in my right front pocket. Backing that up is my Kershaw Tanto Blur assisted opening knife which is clipped to the top of my left front pocket.
 
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FWIW:

I've got roughly 2 dozen pistols/revolvers, mostly 9MM, (1)45ACP, several 38cal. snubbys, a couple of Seecamps, and the pistol that goes in my back pocket (in a rear pocket holster of course) 99% of the time is my Ruger LCP..:D

Jesse
 
Backup/Secondary weapons is a subject often fraught with a lot of personal opinion.

From my own perspective, I don't feel the need to carry a secondary weapon now that I'm retired. I can control where I travel for my activities and I'm not being constantly sent to questionable places to interrupt the lives of folks suspected or known to be troublesome and potentially dangerous. That's just me and my perspective on secondary weapons at this time in my life.

Now, as to the general nature of the backup/secondary weapon?

Well, that can often involve trying to determine where compromise is acceptable in any number of areas ... reliability, manipulation & function, size, weight, safe-yet-accessible carry methods, ease of concealment, etc.

Personally, I tend to arrange my priorities starting with reliability. The inherent reliability of a design in general, and then further considered from the perspective of how well it performs under "less than ideal" conditions.

It's one thing to be able to experience reliable feeding, firing & functioning when comfortably standing on some firing line and taking the time needed to establish a perfect grip, and then firing the gun slowly and taking plenty of time between shots. That's on the range, though, under safe and ideal conditions.

How about desperately grasping for the gun under stressful and perhaps physically strenuous conditions? Maybe while trying to fend off an attacker? Resulting in maybe a less than ideal grip and wrist lock? How easily can the gun be properly fired under conditions which really degrade motor skills?

I've seen at least my fair share of diminutive pocket-type pistols chambered in calibers ranging from .22, .25, .32 & .380 experience feeding & functioning problems on qualification ranges, and that's when the owners have the chance to draw and present the guns under only the minimal stress of being timed and having to engage known threat targets in a manner that meets a minimum standard. Nobody has hit them, knocked them down or other wise injured them while trying to wrest their "primary" weapons away from them, attempting to inflict immediate seriously bodily injury or death on them.

Grip instability (limp wristing) issues which might adversely affect slide velocity and feeding ... especially of JHP's ... might not happen under ideal, carefully controlled range conditions ... but what about other times? Is your choice of gun sensitive to less than ideal grip techniques when it comes to feeding & functioning? Does it feed your choice of defensive ammunition consistently well?

Dunno. You decide for yourself.

I don't make it my business to try and dissuade folks from choosing whatever it is they may desire, or are authorized to choose, but those are just my own thoughts.

When I carried a secondary weapon I chose a S&W J-frame. It was one which had been inspected by a qualified armorer for proper fit & function and I had demonstrated the ability to make accurate hits in ever changing courses of fire designed around larger duty weapons. Nowadays I have a handful of J-frames from which to choose, and as a S&W revolver armorer I can inspect and maintain my own revolvers (and am in some small demand for some of our folks who are discovering the practicality and usefulness of the ubiquitous S&W J-frame for the first time ... or rediscovering it, as it were ;) ) .

Nowadays I often choose on of my J-frames as my normal retirement weapon. Sure, I have any number of pistols ranging from subcompact to full size from which to choose, and which I use for training, practice & quals when helping out as a firearms instructor ... including 5 different 1911's ranging from 3 1/2", 4 1/4" to 5" guns ... but it's the little J-frames that I reach for when wanting a retirement CCW.

It's the J-frame I'd choose if I felt the need for a secondary weapon.

Okay, there have been a very few number of times when I've even carried 2 J-frames while motoring around the valleys & hills on my bike. ;)

This is one of those individual decisions that really needs to be made by folks after careful deliberation and consideration of their own unique needs and situations, though. I can't give anyone else the answer.

What diminutive handgun would you be willing to unexpectedly stake your life, or the lives of your family, on during a chaotic, rapidly changing, physically & mentally taxing situation that is going to occur at a time not of your choosing, in a location and set of conditions not of your choice ... which might well involve unstable footing, bad light and maybe even environmental restrictions affecting freedom of movement.

A watch fob pistol of popular acclaim may be nice to carry, but will it work for you when you need it, under the worst possible conditions?

Okay, I've rambled on about my thoughts ...
 
I'm with Ian. A back pocket holster carry is most comfortable, accessible and concealable. The LCP is ideal for such carry. I have a holster that puts the firearm against me and presents a no-print wallet like contour to anyone who might see under my shirt.
 
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