AZ Senator wants Minutemen charged as Terrorists!

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azredhawk44

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This is from 3/2006, but I only heard of this last week... been looking for proof and found it.

The editorial embedded in the article is typical of the AZ Republic. Rag!:barf:

http://www.azcentral.com/blogs/inde...temen&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1&blogtype=Pluggedin

Sinema takes on the Minutemen
03/10/2006 12:20 AM
In this week's Phoenix New Times, the news column called "The Bird" goes on and on about how state Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, has introduced a great bill to crack down on the Minuteman Project and any other civilian border patrol groups.



Of course, "The Bird" stresses "that the Phoenix lefty's bill hasn't a snowball's chance in the Sonoran Desert of becoming law."

That's an unfortunate consequence of belonging to the Legislature's minority party. Majority Republicans rarely allow Democrat-sponsored bills to get very far. In the event a Republican shares or appreciates a Democrat's idea, he or she usually introduces a GOP version of the bill.

And sure enough, Sinema's House Bill 2848, which would outlaw armed border civilian patrol groups and classify them as "domestic terrorists," never even got a committee hearing.

Still, Plugged In was intrigued enough by the longshot legislation that we contacted Sinema about it.

Despite the nearly impossible odds, she writes in an e-mail that she's not giving up:

"I attempted to amend it to another bill (during floor debate Wednesday), HB 2582, but after quite a bit of lively debate and discussion, my motion failed.

"I will attempt to amend this bill to other germane bills as the session proceeds, as I believe that this issue is one of great importance. Vigilante action is very dangerous and leads to dangerous and sometimes tragic results. Our country has always opposed vigilantism, and we should continue to do so.

"In fact, the Arizona Constitution states in Article 2, Section 26 that 'The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.'

"So this bill is in keeping with our country and state's commitment to the orderly rule of law."

We've got to agree with New Times on at least one point. In the current anti-immigrant climate at the State Capitol, Sinema's principled stand does take guts.
 
Governmental Allegiance

BadBob - An Excellent video to watch - Thanks

You've mentioned the government turning a blind eye.

I've long been suspicious of some sort of collusion between the
Bush Administration and the government of Mexico.

Something I found snooping around: www.spp.gov

Give this a good read.

An at home version of the Trilateral Commission.
 
At least the Minutemen are TRYING to do what our Government refuses to do. Just for the record, I lived in Tucson for 25 years and hope to move back soon
 
Kyrsten Sinema and Lon Horiuchi

Here's a video you might be interested in, Azredhawk. It shows what the "domestic terrorist's" are doing. These guys are at least trying to stop the illegal invasion, in spite of our government turning a blind eye. How far are you from the border?
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I live in the phoenix area, about a 2 hour drive from the border. I am a registered minuteman and have been down to the border twice and been to several rallies here in the valley.

I'm disgusted that a senator from my own state in my own state legislature, eating off my tax dollars, can call me a terrorist.

I want this woman's name everywhere.
 
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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It's scary when people don't understand the constitution, it's terrifying when those people are our elected officials.
 
Kyrsten Sinema is a brilliant, but deeply disturbed and confused individual. She has never masked her views.

I think it is unfortunate that Arizonans (in my Legislative District) would elect this woman as their representative, knowing what she stands for. I guess I am out of step with the majority of my neighbors.
 
I guess if this passed it would be illegal to call the police if you're armed, as you could be charged with "patrolling."
 
Well, a lot of citizens want Senators tried as terrorists, for signing the Patriot Act into law without reading it, ignoring their oath to uphold and protect my rights as a citizen, and their JOB as a representative.

I actually got one of our panzy Congressmen to admit on C-Span he and several of his "colleagues" had signed it into law without reading it.

Treason, is not to strong a word.
 
blueme357 said:
Stupid.
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I prefer the term sheeple, because stupid is hopeless. Sheeple are the product of ignorance, political and historical, and usually result from people thinking our corporate monopolized press is still a "free press".

If people took serious their responsibility to keep government in check, with the Constitutional methods provided, we wouldn't be here today dealing with a bi-partisan monopoly who has sought to dismantle individual rights, remove power from the average citizen, or isolate their power by rigging election laws, finance laws, and the election system. They have only been doing it for 157 years, so is it any suprise the depths we have sunk to?

When people who talk about the Constitution and Bill of Rights seem "rebellious" in modern times, it should clearly show the difference between our nation in 1791 and today.

There are still people willing to fight and die for that liberty they talked about, because without liberty, life is but a prison sentence.
 
There are still people willing to fight and die for that liberty they talked about, because without liberty, life is but a prison sentence.
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And you are one of them?

WildtreasonsheepleandothercodewordsAlaska
 
wildalaska said:
And you are one of them?
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Obviously.

Before I understood the role my nations military was playing in international affairs (age 19), I joined and served on that basis, hoping to go to Iraq in Desert Storm.

Once I learned the truth, I regretted it.

I now work against the machine on my own time that is sending my fellow citizens, and their children of to wars based on corporate intrests, and is using corporate profits to strangle my nations political system, system of law, and overall abiding to the "law of the land" that is the Constitution.

That machine is a bi-partisan monopoly, controlled by corporate multi-national dollars, and has been controlling this system for 157 years straight, over a 100 years in all elected and appointed seats. Two parties, same goals, different public faces to sway the sheeple into their respective herds.

In 2004, lobbyists and corporations spent over $2,650,000,000.00 to "purchase" the favors of 535 seated officials.

I am a signing member of the Free State Project, not because "they" are the answer, but because they are like minded individuals who value individual liberty above national collectives, pretty lies and unconstitutional tyranny.

I am not an armed madman, or a irrational psychotic. I am a law abiding American Citizen who has served my country, and still hold my oath as sacred as the day I repeated it on entering service.

What is a citizen to do when his national government has been usurped from within?

Two options: Fight back, or lay down.

Let me sum up my opinion on that choice with the meaning behind these two quotes:

“It is my right to be uncommon...if I can; I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stole calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud, and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, This I have done, and this is what it means to be an American.”
-Dean Alfrange

“America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”
-Claire Wolfe, 1995-Nov


We have come a lot close to that "stage" over the last 12 years.

Am I revolting yet? No.

Is the necessity becoming apparent? Yes.
 
So wildalaska.... What makes you disagree? The fact you can write to your senator? That'll work. Dont move out of Alaska, ever. Go to new jersey, or california. Witness the inaction, the bias, then preach, and tell folks to give you a break. I'm pretty tired of people willing to bow down to the Gov't. When your a law-abiding citizen, and the Gov't is telling you to jump, and your asking "how high". there may be a deep, serious issue that needs to be dealt with swiftly. You have the second amendment for a reason,Wild. and if you don't intend on ever using it(god forbid it should be needed, what a terrible mistake for us to fight each other), either because you don't care about the outcome of firearms ownership, or your a coward, then sell your Iron now.

What happened to Americans? I love the country, but the people.... Thats another thread!:barf:
 
Let's see, when we argued about Patriot I & II and this utter complete farce known as the "war on terror" from the get-go, there were many of us who warned that it was just a matter of time before one unfavored group at a time was eventually branded a "terrorist", and deprived of liberty and property without due process under this so-called war. Yet many many "conservatives" argued that that was nonsense; that the laws would only be used against Osama & Co., due to the honesty & forthrightness of government officials. Of course, we were right and they were wrong - where are those Republicans now? Are you willing to come out and admit you were wrong? That the Patriot Acts were and still are, hazardous slippery slopes? You gave ammo to this fruitcake lawmaker who wants to shut down the minutemen for merely reporting violations of existing law to law enforcement. Not only shut them down, but label them terrorists, which means their (our) rights can be stripped without trial, without a lawyer, etc. I hate to say it but....what am I saying?; I *love* to say it...I TOLD YOU SO!
 
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