AWB Sunset: Safer or Not with an Twist....You Decide

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TriggerFingers

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ok first....
im a diehard 2nd amendment guy and believe that people should buy whatever firearm they wanted......but im also in favor of keeping the guns away from little kids and whackos with the use of background checks, etc....

so that being said....
with the sunset of the AWB......
i started thinking......
because there are valid points to both sides and im trying to get a good theory going.....

would this country be safer if more people had guns?

ok so yes or no? and why?

some say......
1) less guns and make the LEO do the work......(but then for that argument the crooks would still have them and you would not, leaving you helpless if you cant get to a phone or cant find a cop)

2) while others say more guns and people would think twice about committing a crime......(as long as you can keep guns away from serious whackos, because not everyone is mentally fit to carry one, this theory would be a stone cold winner)

i tend to agree with the latter.......just look at the old west....when just about everyone had some sort of firearm.....people often did think twice whether or not they wanted to rob someone or commit a crime.....

so if you walked into a bank......and you knew that everyone in line was packing (say with a concealed permit) it would make the task much more difficult of trying to hold it up successfully.......you would take large losses and relying on brute force might not be able to get what you came for....
thus entering a criminal who works smart......
which would demand a more intelligent system to deter......brute force is no longer valid in the overwhelming majority of cases....

this should make for some good after dinner conversation with the local liberals....

so what do you think?
 
Did not "More guns, Less crime" answer this and explain the substitution effect? :confused:

Why do you want to keep little kids from guns? :confused: Should not the young be educated as soon as possible?
 
Trigger fingers, any decrease in black market supply of guns resulting from a gun ban is minimal at best. This is obvious. Look at Britain, Australia, anywhere else where certain classes of guns have been effectively outlawed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to build a 3-4MOA rifle, or even a sub-MOA rifle given modern CNC machinery.

A small statistical improvement in gun crimes is not enough for me to seriously entertain the idea of trading my right to defend myself (and better odds of surviving an violent crime) for the promise of decreased crime in a gun-free utopia. Utopias are imaginary, just like the promises of gun grabbers.

As for "assault weapons" (as defined by the now-expired ban), they are replaceable with functionally equivalent rifles, so if anyone talks about "assault weapons" driving up crime rates, they're lying. It simply isn't possible.
 
KS,
i meant gun locks to keep little kids from fooling with them.......but i agree.....if they know what those things do (like i learned at a very early age) then you wont even think about playing with them.......

they arent toys.....
 
TF, trigger locks are dangerous in that the prevent quick access to the emergency equipment and create a false sense of security.

Gun-proof children; do not child-proof guns, just like you learned.

Education trumps equipment as software trumps hardware. :)
 
just look at the old west....when just about everyone had some sort of firearm.....people often did think twice whether or not they wanted to rob someone or commit a crime.....
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You got it there, the crime rate in the towns of the old west was very low, even by today's standards, in reality.
And armed citizens often blew away crooks.
Ask the boys who tried to pull off the Northfield, Minn. bank job.
 
While not a guarantee, what the free availablity of arms does is give everyone a fighting chance. On a national level it provides part of the basis for the militia - hence the 2nd Amendment. We didn't have any problems before the 1934 Act; every Act since then has not made things "safer" for anyone except criminals, and has created a maze of technical boobytraps and confusion for people who wish to "abide by the law".

Children fall under the responsibility of their parents. Wackos of the state. Any wacko not fit to possess a firearm, for whatever reason, needs to be one of three; under 24 hour supervision, lock and key or six feet under. Anything else turns the whole nation into an extention of the prison yards and is used as a "justifcation" for controls on everyone.
 
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