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just a thought i had, when watching t.v., alot of experts saw the dems are going to take the congress, and maybe the senate. is it possible that the AWB could be coming back in about a year or two? i am starting to wonder if i should save up for a new gun, or start buying hi-caps, for my GLOCKS, and maybe even that yugo underfolder and 30rd mags, i have sort of wanted. this bothers me, does this seem to be a concern to you guys too? or am i just being a worry-wart? i got into guns when i was 19, in 2000, where anything above 10rds was hard to get ahold of, and i never thought the ban would die. now its starting to look like it will be coming back in the next 2 - 5 years. should we start stocking up on those hicaps, and start buying more semi-auto rifles?

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Depends on what happens on the first Tuesday of November. Oddly, when I went looking for a hi-cap mag for the new-to-me BHP recently, all I could find was a "California special" 10-rounder. I really wanted an extra mag, so I bought it on the premise that 10 rounds is better than nothing, but I'm going to keep my eyes open for the regular mags.

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Springmom
 
I would be totally amazed if any new gun laws were to come up anytime soon.

We all know what happens when Democrats go for new (and senseless) gun laws. More importantly, Democrats know what happens.

So the only scenario I see is this:

Dems win one house = no talk at all of gun laws.

Dems win both houses = talk of laws but just background since Bush would veto them, not because Bush wouldn't pass a gun law, but because he knows he would be setting up the Republicans for losses in '08.
Dems won't push very hard because they KNOW they are going to lose seats in '08 over it and it would probably even cost them the presidency in '08 over it.

Now, Dems end up with both houses and the Presidency in '08?.. it's time to stock up on everything because they are going to be banning while the banning's good.

Carter
 
First - the Democrats aren't going to take Congress. They'll gain seats but not control. Karl Rove is the only expert you need to pay attention to - and he's saying they'll keep control, so they'll keep control. It's in the bag.

Now that we've got that out of way - Bush saying he'd sign a AWB was nothing more than political posturing. Tom Delay was running the House and Bush knew he would never see an AWB to sign - so he could placate all the soccer moms who we worried about these evil "assault weapons". A Republican Congress isn't going to give him one to sign, and it's going to be a Republican Congress when we wake up on Nov. 8th. Stop worrying about this, it ain't going to happen in this administration. I'm convinced Bush is solidly on our side on this issue.
 
Bush has said he would sign another AWB if it came up.

I'll eat donuts if someone brings them to me...

(...knowing that no one will bring me donuts. )
 
I hate to say it, but I don't think it's case of will the Dems take back Congress.

I think it's just a matter of time -- this election or the next one.

At such a time, you will see a flurry of new anti-gun bills designed to do nothing other than allow the Democrats to say "hey, we're tought on (insert favorite bugaboo group here)."
 
Not likely...at least until '09.

If the dems take control of Congress and want to enact a ban, they'll do it as soon as they can once they take power. However, they don't want to do it anywhere near (prior to) an election as any sort of ban will mobilize and motivate republican voters to get to the voting booth (remember the timing of the first AWB?). Even if they take both the house and senate this year, I doubt they'll do anything. First, there's good chance Bush would veto any anti-gun bill that came across his desk. He can't be re-elected in '08 so there's no political gain in caving in against the interests of a core republican voting block. Its important to remember that the statement where he said he would sign a ban was made when he was trying to get elected president - a time when he had to play to the middle ground and appease moderate swing voters. Additionally because the '08 presidential elections are not that far off, I doubt the dems will want to jeopardize the '08 elections by pushing through a ban in '07 or early '08. They'll probably take their chances on waiting until aftr the '08 elections, hoping they'll get the white house and at least keep the house or senate.
 
There are anti-gun bills brought up in the legislatures ALL the time. What makes anyone think they will stop being brought up once the Dems gain control? If they get control, they WILL pass the bills - they consistently have stated as such, no matter what the current recommended "public appearance" is. Unfortunately I would not COUNT on GWB to stop them, mybe - maybe not, but he seems to be pretty neutral on the issue.

SOOO, don't just pick up mags and Semis - start buying handgun ammo (actually ammo of all kinds) pumps, bolt actions, and anything else you want - 'cause they want limits on everything! An AWB will be just the start.
 
scared and so should you.....

well i did it, about three hours ago i went online to Glockmiester, and spend alittle under $200 on "hi" - cap mags. 7, G22 mags, and 2, G23 mags. am I crazy or what? wasnt real happy about spending 200 bucks on mags, but i will never pay $80+ for another hicap again. my first mag over 10rds was an old G17 gen one mag i bought in march '04, for around $85. next i got to stock up on ar-15mags, and maybe even buy that ak underfolder. hey here is a side question, is glockmeister a good company to deal with? i hope so :o
 
thats why i bought that 32 round mag for my glock a couple years ago, as an investment.

when the AWB comes back(and it will) i will make a nice profit on it.
 
springmom:

Try Midway. Within the last couple of weeks I purchased a couple of Megar 16 rounders for the CZ-75. Browning 13 round magazines were also listed. As for anyone pushing the Bureaucrat Specials or California Legal Magazines", let them eat the things. By the way, magazines are not "Hi-cap". There are FACTORY STANDARD MAGAZINES, and there are the PC types.

Browning magazines, factory standard, have been 13 round items since 1935. Inglass (Canadian) WW 2 items held 14. I've seen some from South Africa that held 17, but the FACTORY STANDARD, pardon me for being stuffy, are 13.
 
You should be buying guns regardless of who is in the White House or Congress!!!

Buy guns and more guns and a freight car full of magazines.:)
 
In this day and age all they have to do is tie the word "terrorism" to any new AW ban (or any anti-gun legislation for that matter). Then if you're against it you obviously want the terrorists to win. Its that simple. No republicanT or democRAT is going to want a vote on his record "in favor" of terrorism. And Dubya will surely sign it. And if he won't (I'm pretty sure he will though), once we get Barack or Hillary in office we know they will.

I'm amazed this tactic hasn't been used already (if it has I haven't heard of it), but sooner or later someone is going to try it out. And they'll find out it works really well unfortunately.

I pray this doesn't happen, but I know it will eventually. I say stock up, something far more sinister than the Clinton ban is coming within the next couple of years (we might have 3 or 4 years if we're lucky), and a ban on high-cap magazines and "evil" features like pistol grips and bayonet lugs is gonna seem downright reasonable compared to what they're cookin up for us.

I know, I know, I sound terribly paranoid. But, hey, hopefully I'm wrong.

-Cosmo

p.s. - I really hope I wrong
 
People:

Please remember the following. The ban on so-called Assault Weapons was just one of several steps the anti's want to take in order to obtain their often stated and many times repeated, ultimate goal. THE TOTAL PROSCRIPTION OF FIREARMS, please excuse me for shouting, are their above mentioned goals, and they have been telling us and everyone else that for years and years.

Remember how they wanted to ban Saturday Night Specials, whatever they actually were. The definitions were pretty loose, weren't they. Then it was "Junk Guns", which in the hands of police, who used some of them as back-up pieces, mysteriously changed their color, make-up and temprement. In your hands however, they were bad.They never explained that bit of magic either, did they? Then it was those plastic pistols that would pass undetected through airport x-ray checks, despite the demonstrated fact that they didn't. Don't bother us with facts, our minds are made up, can't you see that.

I could go on for a bit longer, but I suspect that I'd end up beating the proverbial dead horse, so I will close with the following. Plus se changer, plus le mem choise. Rotten French likely, I've gotten terribly rusty but it translates into English as follows. The more things change, the more they are the same.
 
Regardless of what Rove or anybody else tells you, the Dems WILL take control of the house. By a very comfortable margin.
The Senate is a horse race right now, but if either party retains a majority it will be so slight that neither party will have any real dominance. Finally, Dubya said he would sign AWB legislation. Like it or not, gun control is popular.
Do I think it will happen? Yes. Now is a good time to prepare. The first thing they're going after is the "gun show loophole", and they'll do it in the name of counter-terrorism. If you want to stock up on the good stuff without all the paperwork, now's the time.
 
The Senate is a horse race right now, but if either party retains a majority it will be so slight that neither party will have any real dominance. Finally, Dubya said he would sign AWB legislation. Like it or not, gun control is popular.
Do I think it will happen? Yes. Now is a good time to prepare. The first thing they're going after is the "gun show loophole", and they'll do it in the name of counter-terrorism. If you want to stock up on the good stuff without all the paperwork, now's the time.
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I agree that the Democrats are going to take the House. The GOP would have to win nearly all the "toss-up" seats to hold on and that's just statistically unlikely. I also think the GOP will retain their margin in the Senate by a couple seats. Let's say 2-4.

In any case, I fall in the "no new AWB" for the near future. The reason is the kinds of Democrats that are going to win their elections. The NRA endorsed my newish Congressman in his race. (Boren) He got an A rating. The Democratic newbies who are going to be elected look and smell a whole lot like "moderate Republicans" to me. You don't have many new Democrats coming up and sounding like the old school Democratic leadership. If everybody who is running as a Democrat talked like George McGovern, they wouldn't be winning the majority back. I can't see many of those new Democrats voting for gun control. For instance, I'm planning to vote for Boren even though he's a Democrat. He's done a good job as far as I can see. But if he voted Yes for even one gun control bill, he would be done with my vote. Many of the new Democrats from "reddish" states are going to realize that.

I think gun control is going to be a "third rail of politics" for quite some time. Incremental stuff, sure. Something big and sweeping like the CA laws? I just don't see it.

Gregg
 
tulsamal closed with the following:

I think gun control is going to be a "third rail of politics" for quite some time. Incremental stuff, sure. Something big and sweeping like the CA laws? I just don't see it.

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If anyone hadn't noticed "incremental" is the game that the antis have been playing for quite some time. A slice here, a slice there, and pretty soon, the salami is gone. So it could be with gun rights, and other rights too. These "incremental" bites cause the loss of a lot of blood, and muscle.
 
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