Auto Ordinance 1911 Deluxe Range Report

Foxy

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Range Report:

I took my recently purchased Auto-Ordinance 1911 Deluxe to the range. The Deluxe is a stock 1911 with upgraded, three dot sights and rubber wrap-around grips. This is a new production gun, meaning that the pistol was manufactured after Kahr took over Auto-Ordinance.

The pistol was not new, but rather, LNIB. The pistol had been taken out of the box for the SHOT show and displayed and fondled, and put back in the box and sold to me essentially unfired. When I took it out of the box, it included nothing but the pistol and one spare mag. I had to download the manual from the AO webpage (www.tommygun.com) and print it. We disassembled it, and cleaned it. While the gun was not filthy, it was not clean either, and exhibited a hint of surface rust. We liberally applied CLP and cleaned and lubed the gun well, then set it aside for the night.

The next day, I purchased 100 rounds of S&B 230 gr FMJ (8.99 / 50 at J&G), and 50 rounds of UMC (Remington) 230gr FMJ ($14/50 at Wal-Mart).

We shot outdoors at an undetermined range - however, it was all fairly close; probably within 10 yards. All shooting was done off-hand at the mish-mash of targets that we found at the shooting spot - coke cans, a cardboard box, the cardboard boxes that the ammunition came in, and a UPS that we found.

Participants were myself, my girlfriend, and three friends, one of whom is interested in purchasing the same pistol that I have. Everyone is familiar with and enjoys shooting, with the exception of my girlfriend. The only pistol that she had shot before was my TZ99 (whose grip and trigger reach is too much for her) and a CZ-75, which I think she liked better.

We only had one magazine available; the factory 7 round that came with the pistol. We each took turns loading up the magazine and emptying it at the targets.

The trigger is (obviously) single action, and very, very light - we estimate it at about 3 lbs, with very little travel before the hammer is tripped. This is a huge difference from the TZ99's trigger travel, which is quite long (almost 1/2", I estimate). The trigger is serated and did not bother myself, but my girlfriend complained that her trigger finger felt raw after the shooting.

Recoil was not what I expected. The TZ99 in 9mm almost 'snaps' when it is fired - a quick pop that jerks the pistol upwards. The 1911's recoil does not snap, and does not pop - I thought it felt marvelous. The grip is very narrow compared to the TZ99, and it fit my hand perfectly. The recoil was a bit much at first for my girlfriend, but after she got used to it, she decided that she liked shooting the 1911 much better than the TZ99!

Accuracy was hard to determine. Several of the shooters felt that the pistol shot low, but we had neglected to bring any paper targets to confirm this. However, it was easy to make soda cans go flying at the 10 yard range. The excellent trigger contributed to this. The sights were decent - nothing special, but not horrible.

We encountered ZERO jams in the shooting session - the pistol performed flawlessly, never failing to lock back on an empty magazine. It recoiled nicely, felt nice in my hand. We experienced zero hammer bite, except for one friend who is used to choking up very high. The rest of us escaped unscathed, despite the non-beavertail grip safety.

Overall Impression:

This pistol is definately a keeper. While I have not had the opportunity to fire nicer pistols (say, a Wilson CQB ;) ), I can definately see why even stock, the 1911 has served our country for 80 years. The pistol feels marvelous in the hand. The trigger is the best I've ever personally handled. The recoil is not stout, but rather very pleasant. I honestly enjoyed shooting this pistol. For $319, I feel that I got a very good deal, and stuck my foot into the door of the 1911 world. I wholeheartedly approve of the new Auto Ordinance 1911 pistols.
 

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Here's a picture of the 1911 under recoil when my girlfriend was firing. It looks like she might be borderline limp-wristing, but it never jammed.
 

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You are one of the lucky few to have a working Auto-Ordnance. The one I had never was able to fire more than one round in a row without a problem, and it wouldn't feed a round into the chamber from any magazine loaded with more than four rounds. Not even after a trip back to Auto-Ordnance and a frame replacement.:barf:
 
Just out of curiousity, did you have an old one or a new one? It seems that everyone had an old AO that wasn't good even as a doorstop. However, I'm impressed with my new one. The pistol's performance convinced a friend of mine to go snag the last one that they have at the local gunstore. We'll see if his duplicates this one's performance.
 
Sorry to hear that!

Foxy, I'm sorry to hear that you've been biten by the 1911 bug! The next thing you know you will get after-market parts for your AO then Springfields, Kimbers will show up, next you know, you will be knee deep in 1911s! Have fun.:D
 
I have one of the earlier ones and have had zero problems with it. I did have a throat and polish job done on it, but I do this with all my 1911's. I have a piece of crap Springfield Loaded that everyone raves about that could be Blades67's pistols twin. I'd buy another AO before another Springfield at this point. Good luck with your new toy Foxy and have fun with it.
 
Every manufacturer turns out the occasional lemon, but the old AO guns were predominately lemons. Many seemed to be assembled from out of spec cast parts. I hope Kahr Arms can make a good 1911. I saw what was supposed to be one of the new ones, but it appeared to have all of the problems of the old ones. And, judging from the attached picture, there are still some problems. Anyone notice that the rear end of the slide does not meet smoothly with the rear of the frame. This maybe nit picking, but a quality gun will usually have a little better fit than this.
 
Thank you for your kind words, 1911fan. I had the pistol home, and was surfing around looking for new grips, new sights, ooh, how about that trigger?

Then it occured to me that maybe I should shoot the gun first before I toy with it :)

Stans:

The frame does not meet the slide perfectly at the rear, but you know what? It went bang every time I pulled the trigger. I'll accept that from a $319 1911. Considering the Springfield mil-spec models are twice as much, I am not going to be critical of a 1/10" extra metal. The gun is tight and barely makes a sound when you shake it, the bushing/barrel interface is tight.. all in all, I'm quite pleased.
 
Perhaps you got a good one, perhaps Karh Arms is really improving the quality. I would like to see AO become a respectable 1911, they do have the lowest prices and would appeal to many budding handgunners.
 
I agree.

I mean, think about it. The 1911 was produced in untold numbers, probably millions, for the Second World War, without sacrificing anything critical in the way of quality (as GI guns are famed for their reliability). So the gun CAN be mass-produced for a very competitive price, if they're willing to forego a lot of bells and whistles that are popular these days. There's no need to cut corners and use soft steel or cheap parts to make a good gun; you just have to do without match grade parts and front slide serrations and Novak night sights (though simple 3-dot are better than GI sights).
 
I wouldn't say it was an older gun, but I did get it in December of 1996. (Way before Kahr bought them in 2000 I guess.) Your gun works and you're happy with it, that's all that matters I guess.
 
The military .45s were reliable because the Ordnance Dept. inspected every single one before accepting it. They rejected pistols that would easily have made the grade today as commercial weapons. Many pre-war commercial Colts have internal parts marked with a "G", which means government contract. The reason they went into commercial pistols is because the batch had been rejected by Ordnance inspectors!

As for Auto Ordinance, don't even get me started. But I'm glad that yours works. So did mine after I had replaced most of the internal parts and did lots of polishing. Try running some JHP's through yours though, and report back to us.
 
dsk,
Try running some JHP's through yours though, and report back to us.


I've owned over 10 .45's, all but 2, a Colt Combat Commander and an old Springfield parts kit gun, that was basicly a stock 1911A1, ever fed hollow points with out a throat and polish job. Hell, my new right from the box Sprinfield Loaded wouldnt even feed hardball without jamming, didnt matter what mag you put in it.
 
I think the standard model has original style military sights, plastic grips and is parkerized. The deluxe has high profile sights, rubber grips and is blued, although the blue is sometimes a plum color.
 
As for Auto Ordinance, don't even get me started. But I'm glad that yours works. So did mine after I had replaced most of the internal parts and did lots of polishing. Try running some JHP's through yours though, and report back to us.

Was it a pre-Kahr, or post-Kahr pistol? Not asking to be contentious, I am just curious. As I said before, everyone seems to bash on AO based on guns that were made years ago. My new one seems much better than what everyone describes AO to be.

I can try running some JHP's through it, but you know what? I bought this strictly as a range gun, and as a range gun, it does admirably. I have no interest in carrying a full size Gov't model for a CCW, and for home defense, I have a selection of long arms to point at my bedroom door.

Brasso:

Stans got it right, AFAIK. Deluxe doesn't have a lanyard loop either.
 
Foxy

I am glad to hear about your new aquisition. Sounds like Jake followed suit. I will give you guys a call today and see about getting together this week. I will be around till next wednesday. Happy shooting. JD FlyboyAZ
 
My Auto-Ordinance was an older model, made in 1990 or so. I suggested trying some JHP's through yours because it will give you a good idea as to what it can do under less than perfect circumstances. If it feeds JHP's reliably I'm sure it'll be a major confidence boost on your part.
 
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