Australian Gun Registration/License forms URLs (long)

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Oatka

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In another thread, our stalwart Bruce in West Oz posted an interesting Australian gun owners association website (SSAA). One URL in particular contains great scare-the-Hell-out-of-your-non-voting gun-owner-buddies examples. They are firearms license/registration forms.

For those who have printers, I think it would be great to print out a few of these forms and distribute them with the
suggestion that this is what government under Gore would probably look like. They are great for your "they won't come for mine" acquaintances. If this doesn’t get ‘em motivated, there’s always that 2x4. ;)

Don't be intimidated by all the URLs, their contents are chilling.

A common theme is “what is your genuine reason for wanting one?”
http://www.ssaa.org.au/lawindex.html

Look under the column Registry Website and take a trip through a gun owner's House of Horrors. Note: Part of Queensland's page doesn't come up.

Or . . .

I’ve taken the liberty of listing those states I have access to. Any one is enough to rattle your cage. Some are in PDF format so you will have to have an Acrobat reader, which is a free download. Well worth the effort.

VICTORIA http://www.police.vic.gov.au/PDF/vp303a.pdf personal info http://www.police.vic.gov.au/PDF/vp304a.pdf handguns http://www.police.vic.gov.au/PDF/vp321a.pdf firearms license application http://www.police.vic.gov.au/PDF/vp325a.pdf jr. license http://www.police.vic.gov.au/PDF/vp337a.pdf instructions

TASMANIA http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#FirearmsLicence http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#DealersLicence http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#AcquireAFirearm http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#Firearms Registration http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#ShootingGallery http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#MuseumLicence http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#FirearmsDealer http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#HeirloomLicence http://www.police.tas.gov.au/applications/Information.htm#MinorsPermit

QUEENSLAND http://www.ssaa.org.au/lawqld.html
(Item 3 is interesting – “ Hunting is not permitted on Crown land.” – Oatka)

SOUTH AUSTRALIA http://www.sapolice.sa.gov.au/pdf_file/rf1662.pdf Application to get body armor http://www.sapolice.sa.gov.au/firearms.htm This one is particularly interesting. Part of which reads:
“Since September 1996 changes to the firearms legislation in South Australia have come into effect to prohibit the possession of the following firearms, except in limited circumstances:
self-loading centre fire rifles - Class D
self-loading rim fire rifles, 10 round capacity or less - Class C
self-loading rim fire rifles, more than 10 round capacity - Class D
self-loading shotguns, 5 round capacity or less - Class C
self-loading shotguns, more than 5 round capacity - Class D
pump action shotguns, 5 round capacity or less - Class C
pump action shotguns, more than 5 round capacity - Class D”

NEW SOUTH WALES http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P601.pdf Class 1 or 2 license http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P602.pdf Master license http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P603.pdf Give info on Close Associates (a dandy database enhancer) http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P604.pdf Change/Duplicate license http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P605.pdf Fees (Aussie $ approx. 65c US) http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P606.pdf Security license class http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/BinaryData/P607.pdf Pre-Training criminal check

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
Not fully operational. http://www.ssaa.org.au/lawwa.html Lists requirements

NORTHERN TERRITORY
“The Northern Territory Firearms Act (1997) requires that a person must have a genuine reason, and in some cases, a genuine need as well to qualify for a firearms licence.”
http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/licences.htm#Licences Info you have to have to subit when applying http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms.htm#Forms Master list – here are some of the 14: http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf480.pdf Armourer’s license http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf481.pdf Collector’s license http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf442.pdf Registration of firearms http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf484.pdf Purchase permit http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf444.pdf Shooter’s license http://www.nt.gov.au/pfes/police/units/firearms/forms/pf482.pdf Inspection of premises (let me see your trigger locks)

I'm sending these to the NRA and GOA. I'd send to the others, but I gotta leave. Somebody please do the rest.
 
Talk about a mountain of paperwork!

Looks like tyranny at its best.

Will look for address to send this stuff to after I print it, gotta have a little fun with the gov, what are they gonna do put me before the world court?

How many forms can they make you fill out.

Say you live in victoria area and never owned a gun and now you want one say long rifle bolt, do you have to fill out forms 303 personal information,321 firearms licence application, and 337 application for a firearms permit? Seem like personal info would be in the last two forms, sorry but this stuff seem utterly confusing, dont think I will bother.

One thing that is a joke is this passage from the Victoria firarms law booklet.

"Any item which could reasonably be regarded as having the appearance of a handgun but which is not designed or adapted to discharge shot or a bullet or other missle is regarded as a firearm and is controlled by the firearms laws"

So if you carved what looked like a handgun out of styrofoam you would have to get a permit to own and register your styrofoam "handgun" and to think I thought they overreacted with plastic framed handguns!

What a bunch of FN BS.




[This message has been edited by oberkommando (edited September 10, 2000).]
 
If your stomach's strong enough, you may like to read what started it all -- and see how easy it can be:

http://www.gun.law.gov.au/Guns/legislation/10mayresolut.htm

Here's just the introduction:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Australasian Police Ministers' Council Special Firearms Meeting
Canberra, 10 May 1996


Resolutions


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This document was first made available and can also be found at http://www.nla.gov.au/cleb/firearms.html and is available as a downloadable Word 6 document via ftp from: ftp://email.nla.gov.au/pub/firearms.doc.
It is a large document (54k) and is presented here in two sections.

1. Bans on Specific Types of Firearms
2. Effective Nationwide Registration of All Firearms
3. Genuine Reason for Owning, Possessing or using a Firearm
4. Basic Licence Requirements
5. Training as a Prerequisite for Licensing
6. Grounds for Licence Refusal or Cancellation &Seizure of Firearms

Continued on Page 2

7. Permit to Acquire
8. Uniform Standard for the Security & Storage of Firearms
9. Recording of Sales
10. Mail Order Sales Controls
11. Compensation/Incentive Issues

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1. Bans on Specific Types of Firearms

RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that all jurisdictions ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and use of those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import other than in the exceptional circumstances listed in paragraph 1.2 of the Commonwealth proposal (see below).
para 1.2
The only need for the use of an automatic or semi-automatic longarm would be:

* military;
* police or other government purposes; and
* occupational categories of shooters who have been licensed for a specified purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).

(b) that all jurisdictions ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import.
Council agreed to implement its resolution via the following action plan:

1. All jurisdictions to ban the sale, resale, transfer, ownership, possession, manufacture and use of those firearms banned or to be banned from import other than in the following exceptional circumstances:
* military use;
* police or other government purposes; and
* occupational categories of shooters who have been licensed for a specified purpose (eg extermination of feral animals).

2. All jurisdictions to ban competitive shooting involving those firearms banned or proposed to be banned from import.
3. The Commonwealth to ban the importation of all semi-automatic self-loading and pump action longarms, and all parts, including magazines, for such firearms, included in Licence Category D, and control the importation of those firearms included in Licence Category C.

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2. Effective Nationwide Registration of All Firearms

RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania immediately establish an integrated licence and firearms registration system and that all other jurisdictions review their existing registration systems to ensure that all systems are compatible.
(b) that these databases be linked through the National Exchange of Police Information (NEPI) to ensure effective nationwide registration of all firearms.
Council noted that there is an urgent need for funds to upgrade NEPI and for additional recurrent funding
Council resolved to implement its resolution via the following action plan:

1. New South Wales, Queensland and Tasmania to immediately establish a registration system for all firearms in consultation with NEPI.

2. Victoria, ACT, South Australia, Western Australia and Northern Territory to work with NEPI in reviewing existing systems to ensure compatibility.

3. All jurisdictions to link their registration systems to NEPI.

4. New South Wales, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia to immediately place the names of all firearms licence holders in their States on NEPI's Police Reference System.

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3. Genuine Reason for Owning, Possessing or Using a Firearm

RESOLUTION
Council resolved:
(a) that personal protection not be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm.
(b) that the following classifications be used to define the "genuine reason" an applicant must show for owning, possessing or using a firearm:

* sporting shooters with valid membership of an approved club (defined as participants in shooting sports recognised in the charters of such major sporting events as the Commonwealth Games, Olympic Games or World Championships);
* recreational shooters/hunters who produce proof of permission from a landowner;
* persons with an occupational requirement, eg primary producers, other rural purposes, security employees and professional shooters for nominated purposes;
* bona fide collectors of lawful firearms; and
* persons having other limited purposes authorised by legislation or Ministerial approval in writing (for example, firearms used in film production).

(c) that over and above satisfaction of the "genuine reason" test, an applicant for a licence for the categories B, C, D and H must demonstrate a genuine need for the particular type of firearm.
For Licence Category C:

* application will be limited to primary producers;
* the applicant must satisfy the licensing authority that there is a genuine need for the use of the firearm that pertains to the applicant's occupation, which cannot be achieved by some other means, and that the need cannot be satisfied by a firearm under Category A or B;
* a Category C licence holder will be limited to the maximum of one rifle and one shotgun of the types covered by Category C;
* the application is to be approved by the Commissioner of the Police, who may impose conditions as to the use of the firearm, including as to the geographical location of its use; and
* licensing authorities will develop uniform guidelines to be approved by Council.


(d) that firearms collectors should be regulated by means of a licence and permit system designed to test their bona fides. The licensing process should include a provision for an initial inspection of storage facilities and for subsequent mutually arranged inspections. All such inspections will be subject to the recognition of the individual's right to privacy. The onus of defining "bona fide firearms collector" rests with each State and Territory. However, the following principles should underpin the regulation of bona fide firearms collectors:

* the firearms which are the subject of the collection should be of or above a defined age;
* firearms in a collection which have been manufactured after 1 January 1946 must be rendered inoperable;
* collectors may not possess ammunition for a collection firearm;
* no prohibited firearm may be included in a collection;
* any attempt to restore firearms in the collection to usable condition should be regarded as a serious offence and subject to severe penalties; and
* all operating firearms which are owned by the collector should be subject to the same level of regulation as any other operating firearm.

Council agreed to implement its resolution via the following action plan:

1. All jurisdictions confirm that personal protection is not a genuine reason for owning , possessing or using a firearm.
2. All jurisdictions to immediately implement a uniform system of testing applicants for firearms licences such that each applicant must establish, to the satisfaction of the licensing authority in the relevant jurisdiction, that he or she has a "genuine reason" for owning, possessing or using a firearm. The classifications used to define "genuine reason" are as follows:
* (a) sporting shooters with valid membership of an approved club (defined as participants in shooting sports recognised in the charters of such major sporting events as the Commonwealth Games, Olympic Games or World Championships);
* (b) recreational shooters/hunters who produce proof of permission from a landowner;
* (c) persons with an occupational requirement, eg primary producers, their licensed employees, other rural purposes, security employees and professional shooters for nominated purposes;
* (d) bona fide collectors of lawful firearms; and
* (e) persons having other limited purposes authorised by legislation or Ministerial approval in writing (for example, firearms used in film production).


3. All jurisdictions to immediately implement a uniform system of testing applicants for firearms licences of categories B, C, D and H such that each applicant must establish, to the satisfaction of the licensing authority in the relevant jurisdiction, that he or she has a "genuine need" for owning, possessing or using a firearm of the nominated type. For Licence Category C:
* application will be limited to primary producers;
* the applicant must satisfy the licensing authority that there is a genuine need for the use of the firearm that pertains to the applicant's occupation, which cannot be achieved by some other means, and that the need cannot be satisfied by a firearm under Category A or B;
* a Category C licence holder will be limited to the maximum of one rifle and one shotgun of the types covered by Category C;
* the application is to be approved by the Commissioner of the Police, who may impose conditions as to the use of the firearm, including as to the geographical location of its use; and
* licensing authorities will develop uniform guidelines to be approved by Council.

4. All jurisdictions to immediately implement a uniform system for regulating firearms collectors by means of the licence and permit system as follows:


(a) the firearms which are the subject of the collection should be of or above a defined age;
(b) firearms in a collection which have been manufactured after 1 January 1946 must be rendered inoperable;
(c) collectors may not possess ammunition for a collection firearm;
(d) no prohibited firearm may be included in a collection;
(e) any attempt to restore firearms in the collection to usable condition should be regarded as a serious offence and subject to severe penalties; and
(f) all operating firearms which are owned by the collector (ie those not forming part of the collection) should be subject to the same level of regulation as any other operating firearm.[/quote]

B

[This message has been edited by Bruce in West Oz (edited September 10, 2000).]
 
Bruce, its even worse when you see the print.

This was the best part
Council resolved:
(a) that personal protection not be regarded as a genuine reason for owning, possessing or using a firearm.

I guess the Aussies have some rights to privacy but not to life!

How convenient for them to say self defence isn't a "genuine" reason when they are all armed for defence.

Wouldnt it be just to bad if something happened to this council, I'll tell you it would break my heart.
 
I wonder if all these personal restrictions on Aussies will have any unintended consequences?

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Just one of the Good Guys
 
One reason I thump the tub on printing some of these up, Xeroxing a bunch, and handing them out is because I rattled a few cages recently, doing something similar.

I have a copy of BATF Form 4473 and carried it around for a year before I had a chance to use it.

Finally, in a group discussion about everything in general, one guy shoots off his mouth about how easy it was to get a gun and how "there oughtta be a law".

I reached in my pocket and took out the form and said, "Let's all go through this 'easy' process". I started reading the questions out loud and didn't even get to Section 9 before some of them started muttering,
"J...C..., why do they want to know all that", or, "it's none of their damn business".

I laid it on with a trowel and asked them the rest of the questions, then pausing, I read them the back, where the dealer had to fill in more info. It took about 10 minutes.

Then the coup de grace . "NOW, we'll check you out against the FBI database, using your SSN or driver's license number. You might have to wait up to three days or you may be approved in minutes."

I don't know if I converted anybody, but I NEVER heard the "easy to get a gun" b/s from anybody again.

Talk is one thing, but when you show people the hard reality of licensing/registration by having them fill out the actual form, you can sometimes see the 2x4 impression in their forehead.

Copy a bunch and hand 'em out to your union buddies or any other passive gun owner you may know. Tell 'em to fill one out as a practice run, so it will be much easier for them if Al Gore gets in.
 
OATKA,MY thoughts exactly.

"Talk is one thing, but when you show people the hard reality of licensing/registration by having them fill out the actual form, you can sometimes see the 2x4 impression in their forehead."

I think more people on this forum need to take a look at a hard copy of what is coming and based on the number of responses here it dont look like they care to see reality right now.
Might be fun to fill out some and send them to OZ with a big swastika printed on them. I looked at the racists sites for a pic that I could use with my printer but couldnt even find one. Maybe spary paint will work, kinda fun anyway. BTW how much to send letter to OZ with the three pages of personal info to Melbourne?This would be form 303a.
 
Is the National Library of Australia now ashamed of the document Bruce posted? The URL to the document doesn't work and a site search comes up with no matches found. :(

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Remember: First you pillage ... then you burn!
 
Here's a recent post from an Aussie cyber pal with the latest incident.

"MARTIN ESSENBERG
Lot 7 Runnymede Estate Rd
Nanango, 4615
(07) 41-632-423 (ah)
e-mail- marsiegen@burcom.com.au
Gun web-site- http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/5804/

I am still being blocked by the Queensland Parliament E-mail Server. Could any one receiving this email forward it on to the Queensland Parliamentarians listed in the "To" box. "GUN LAWS and the Military killing Civilians (Again)"

On the 24 August 2000 five Police officers with a warrent searched my home and found and CONFISCATED one .22 BARREL and the STOCK of one .22 semi-auto rifle.

Yesterday (11 September 2000) the Police were directed to proceed with prosecution. I was summonsed to appear in Kingaroy Magistrates Court on the 5 October 2000 for POSSESSION OF A WEAPON WHILE UNLICENCED- that weapon is the STOCK (and NOTHING more) of a .22 rifle.

It seems that I am a dangerous person with an unlicenced piece of wood. The .22 barrel confiscated during the same search will be returned to me and I will NOT be charged with its possession.

[item referring to police allowed to shoot at civilians ("domestic terror" bill) has been covered elsewhere on this board, so I deleted that portion - Oatka]

Thank you
Martin

Below- me digging a garden to pay my "debt to society" for the unlicenced possession of 2 air rifles and 2 bolt action .22 rifles
The ground is rock hard because of lack of rain so I flooded the area to soften the so called soil. I will be planting drought resistant Australian shrubs." [picture did not show up]
 
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