Attended Awesome Gun Course!!!!!

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scooter71

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I attended an awesome training day on Saturday with numerous SWAT Teams and Special Forces!

Training consisted of the following areas:

BRITISH SAS FIXED CAR FIGHTING TECHNIQUES

ISRAELI MOSSAD TECHNIQUE OF ENGAGING MULTIPLE TARGETS

ANGLE OF INCIDENCE FIRING

ACTION DRILLS

I learned so much!

Training really deviated from Police Training, teaching only head shots!

Standard Police Courses really look sad compared to this type of training..

It was pouring rain all day long, and we stood in it and rolled around in ankle deep mud during the course of fire...

We didn't fire doubletaps or string of 5-6 shots, we emptied 15 round magazines as fast as the trigger could be pulled!

At no time did I pull the trigger and not empty a magazine!!

At the end of the day, we did a competition pistol shoot at 110 Yards!

Yes, 110 Yards with service pistols, ringing a steel silhouette.

I didn't believe it either, but I got (5 out of 15) at 110.

1 other Swat member got 4 also, and us 2 thought we were real men, until a Marine HRT Sniper rung 10 out of 15 with a Glock!

The Marine made us humble again, but I still felt good that I could hang with SWAT Teams and Special Forces and finish in the top 3 out of about 55 competitiors with the old stock Stainless Beretta! I can never sell it now!

Burned through over 600 rounds in 6 hours! Not one failure to fire with the Beretta......and I saw Glocks, H&K's and saw Many S&W auto's jam up after they got muddy and sandy........

I am just amazed at the durability and reliability of my Beretta, even being covered with mud during most of the day, because it was raining hard all day, and we were outside laying prone in the mud etc........

Then the gun rings the gong at 110 yards!

I've been pining for a Glock 23, or Sig 229, but now I'm not so sure, I saw some of those jam up and have to be taken down while my Beretta and several USMC Beretta's kept on ticking........

I now believe that although the Beretta 92's are too big for concealed carry, when the SHTF and the chips are down, a pistol that has proven to be 110% reliable is the one I want to be carrying, and I thank my lucky stars that my Dept. issues the Beretta!

I am truly a Beretta fan now, all the way!
 
Glad you had a great time. I too have had training where the pistol is fired until empty. Of course, that's armed forces type of thinking since they often do it when the perp is down. Heck, I have even had training where the first good guy downs the bad guy then each good guy who walks by gives the bad guy a couple of more for good measure.

It makes me cringe to think that type of training and attitude is permeating law enforcement, but what the heck, to each his own.
 
Hey Scooter,

Care to tell us the name of the place you trained, or did you just post to torture everybody?

Don't mean to get ornary on ya', but come on man!

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I don't know about everyone else, but I'd much
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Beretta's are reliable guns but I have seen them fail in one training I went to because sand got in the magazine. My Glock 31 and all the other guys with glocks did fine. There are so many variables that its hard to say based on one expierence that one brand is more reliable than another.
PAT

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I intend to go into harms way.
 
Gary Belson teaches Advanced Combat Courses at the H.J. Youngblood Fraternal Order of Police Lodge #65 in Callahan FL., just north of Jacksonville FL.

Training is on Saturday's with a 2 day Close Quarters Combat Course at least one weekend a month.

The lodge is set on the river, very secluded, 110 yard range with great facilities and equipment.

Believe me, the instructor has the credentials and experience to back up the training, and the courses are IPTM certified for L.E. POST Certification.

From their flyer, the courses this month are:

Oct 21 Basic with Defensive tactics

Oct 28-29 Close Quarter Defensive Tactics

and more for November......

He will also tailor-make a course for a Dept. or group with your specific guidelines or subjects/techniques needed..

For Courses Contact:

Gary W. Belson
Director of Training Operations
P.O. Box 1051 Yulee, FL 32041-1051
(904) 225-9918

I'm going to E-mail Gary Belson and ask him if he minds if I post his e-mail address to this forum, it's on his handout/flyer, but I feel obligated to ask permission anyway.

I will post his e-mail if he approves....
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scooter71:
Training really deviated from Police Training, teaching only head shots![/quote]

Are you an LEO? If not then I don't find this course, judging from its description, very helpful to a civilian.

Please don't get me wrong for a mere expression of my opinion, but wouldn't you agree that if one takes this course NOT for pure fun (like I hope you have) but to learn how to behave and operate a weapon in a defensive situation, he/she becomes predisposed to be "fried" in court should such technique be used in real life?

Only head shots? Until one's gun's empty? One of the main purposes of such trainings is to develop a set of reflexes in students. The ones aforementioned above, should they trully become one's reflexes, will likely to give a really strong headache case for that person's defense lawyer...

It's by no means a flame, and I'll welcome any constructive comments. In fact, I've just re-read your post, and it does look like you've taken this class for fun. And I could honestly say what a great fun it was!
 
Emin, no flame, but the training sounds pretty hardcore and if it comes down to a life and death situation, I will take my chances with the consequences in court. Two little guidelines I like to keep handy, tried and tired as they are...
1. It is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, and
2. It is easier to get out of jail than gen out of the morgue.
 
Yes, I'm an LEO, but almost all of his advanced courses are open to the general public, with the stipulation that you attend his basic course first, or be L.E., or work in an area that will give him a warm fuzzy about your gun handling abilities....

Of course he can't let just any joe-blow out on the range for tactical training...you must prove yourself first one way or the other.

About head shots:

Let's take the L.A. bank robbery shootout for example.

The numerous officers who exchanged fire with the bad guys were trained to fire "center mass".

Center mass didn't work due to their body armor. They fired volley after volley into the bad guys center mass, and didn't even attempt head shots.

If those officers had a little training like I just did, they would have been able to stop the shooting spree a lot sooner with a well placed HEAD SHOT, which I feel I can confidently make out to 50-75 yards. I rang the 12" wide silhouette at 110 yards, standing, unsupported, I'm reasonably certain I can do better supported over the trunk of a car.

If you must pull the trigger, it should come from dire consequences when all lesser means have failed, and in this day and age of body armor, a head shot is the only sure thing!

I'm not going to speculate about why and when a civilian will need this training, but who cares?

The more time behind the trigger, the better you become.

P.S. still waiting for Belson to return my e-mail so I can post his e-mail addy. for your questions.....

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