ATF Loses Another 101 Guns and 7,000 Firearms Parts

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Bartholomew Roberts

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Apparently a security guard at the weapons destruction facility was diverting stuff back to the market and listing it as destroyed. The guns include 15 rifles, 80 handguns, and 9 NFA weapons, as well as over 7,000 firearms parts (Glock slides, AR15 lowers, etc.)

25 different ATF offices are tasked with retrieving the weapons, which are showing up internationally.

So, between Wide Receiver, Fast and Furious, various other ATF misadventures, and this, I’m curious what percentage of the illicit firearm market is actually supplied by ATF?

Source: https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/atf-caught-w-pants-down/
 
I knew about this and I was certain that we had discussed it when the news first came out. But ... I can't find it, so I guess we didn't.

Another reason why the BATFE should be disbanded. (Or turned into an online sales operation.)
 
I'm going to have to go with about 99% of all illegal firearms on the market are a product of the ATF screw ups!

How in the hell do they not hold more then the security guard responsible for this? Does he work alone? What kind of procedures do they have for checking in firearms? No checks coming and going?

Everyone in his immediate chain of command should be fired, all the way up to the idiot in charge of the facility. Yeah, I know, way to much to expect from a government controlled entity!
 
50 shooter said:
How in the hell do they not hold more then the security guard responsible for this?
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You can but he was probably a $12/ hr rent a guy and saw a way to make his monthly rent, and didn’t see it as a big deal. And he’s the scapegoat.
Everyone else is doing the bureaucratic salute (fingers pointing elsewhere)
 
Another reason why the BATFE should be disbanded.
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At this point, I'd settle for some kind of accountability and enforcement. Even when agents are disciplined, it's usually a mild slap on the wrist.

Even if we accept the company line that those 2,200 guns from Fast & Furious were just an "oopsie," remember that nobody involved faced prosecution. With the exception of Acting Director Melson (who chose to retire), everyone involved (including ASACs who personally sold guns to the traffickers) is still gainfully employed by the Bureau.

Many people assume that gun owners just have it in for the ATF because they're a BIG GUBMENT REGULATORY AGENCY, but there are very real concerns with their utter incompetence and a tendency towards really big stupid disasters like Ruby Ridge and Waco. This comes down to appallingly poor leadership and a lack of effective oversight.
 
Even if we accept the company line that those 2,200 guns from Fast & Furious were just an "oopsie," remember that nobody involved faced prosecution. With the exception of Acting Director Melson (who chose to retire), everyone involved (including ASACs who personally sold guns to the traffickers) is still gainfully employed by the Bureau.
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Well, Lanny Breuer had to step down from DOJ and take a million dollar salary as a law partner at a politically connected firm, where he would go on to be Michael Cohen’s lawyer. That’s practically the D.C. equivalent of falling on your sword. :rolleyes:
 
That’s practically the D.C. equivalent of falling on your sword.
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SAC Hope McAllister, who coerced Lone Wolf into selling weapons to traffickers, was given a "Lifesaving Award" by the ATF in 2011.

Supervisor David Voth, who ordered ATF agents to transfer guns themselves, is still employed at the DC headquarters.

ASAC George Gillett, who wrote a "shut up and keep quiet if you know what's good for you" memo to agents in the Phoenix division, recently retired with full benefits.

Yep, I'm sure they're all feeling it.
 
The best way to start that investigation might be to servile Obama and Holder .
The MO is already there..... Ya know..........the usual suspects.
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"We can’t get away with an “oopsie”, so why should they?"

Because, unfortunately they write the rules in their favor. :mad:
Paul B.
 
Wyosmith said:
The best way to start that investigation might be to servile Obama and Holder .
The MO is already there..... Ya know..........the usual suspects.
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It's never that simple.
What’s also fascinating about the documents turned over to investigators is that they reference a little-known ATF operation called “Operation Wide Receiver”, which just like “Fast and Furious,” let guns “walk” to Mexico.

The operation, run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 — when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show — and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed.
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The operation, run by ATF’s Tucson office and the U.S. Attorney for Arizona, started in 2006 — when George W. Bush’s Attorney General Alberto Gonzales was running the show — and ran until the end of 2007. No charges were filed.
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To be fair, charges were filed against some of the traffickers. One of them even got a year in prison :rolleyes:

Wide Receiver was a mistake, and there should have been disciplinary action and prosecutions. Like F&F, it was a multi-agency OCDETF operation, and the ATF's mismanagement screwed up the DOJ's ability to conduct prosecutions in several cases.

When it was shut down, the clear message was: don't do something this boneheaded ever again.

As we learned from Waco, the ATF takes warnings like that as a challenge. They knew Wide Receiver was a failure and a disaster, but they chose to start it back up, and they did so on an even larger scale.

The differences:

  • Dealers weren't pressured and coerced in Wide Receiver
  • ATF agents weren't personally involved in the illegal sales of weapons
  • whistleblowers weren't targeted and harrassed
  • the administration didn't pull strings to cover it up
 
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