At my wits end with this Mauser.

Mosin-Marauder

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I got in from shooting yesterday, and the thrill of a good group was suddenly diminished, as my front barrel band managed to walk out of the catch again. I thought I had it licked last time but apparently it's a different problem. I dont think my spring has enough outward tension to secure the barrel band. Im going to remove it and relieve a bit of wood from the retaining spring channel so I dont have to pop it into the recess manually, then put a greater outwards bend on the actual spring so It maybe wont walk off. If I can't get it fixed, any ideas on what to do? I wanted this to be a good do-all gun for when I start driving (soon), so It is going to be very ineffective if i have to keep fiddling with the barrel band. Sorry for bringing this back up again, but I am desperate to get this thing fixed. I've relieved wood from where the barrel band goes to no avail. I keep having to manually nudge the spring up, so I think filing a bit on the upper wall of the retaining band recess should fix it, and tensioning the spring more. As always, help and advice are appreciated, and I apologize for posting about this again. Thanks for your help.

Regards,

-Mo.
 
If the "shoulder" on the retaining spring looks to be a bit rounded take a small file and sharpen it just alittle and maby sharpen the band where it meets the spring . Peck the band back aginst the stock with a small gunsmith hammer to make sure it is getting behind the catch on the spring .
 
Im trying to modify it as little as possible. But it is a possibility. If I cant get it worked out the right way, I'll probably try Loc-Tite-ing the inside of the barrel band to the metal on the forend cap. Or peen the metal over on the front of the band. But I seriously hope it doesn't come to any of that.
 
can you add something to the inside of the barrel band that adds friction and removes space?
Caveat!!!
I absolutely have not tried this!
Caveat!!!
What if you smeared a thin layer of something like elmer's glue on the inside and let it dry before re-assembly, it might last for a couple of range sessions. If you didn't like it or if it were too tight, it would come off with water.
My kids get elmer's glue into lots of nooks and crannies. It seems very good at creating friction.
 
I may have pried the springs out of my 24/47 stock before it was destroyed. If I still have them, I'll send them your way. I just need to find the box of parts and check....
 
You might have to buy a used barrel band...Google that & Stuck K98 Mauser Barrel Band
 
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Mo,
Really hesitate to join in on this, since I'm not entirely convinced that your obsessive nature in tinkering with your guns is not doing more harm than good, but:

You remove the springs on the Mauser just like you do on the Mosin.

On the Yugo, you'll find two holes in the wood on the OPPOSITE side of the stock from where the springs engage their bands.

With an appropriately-sized pin punch, you insert that punch into the forward hole, and tap it carefully into the hole (avoid angling the punch or enlarging the hole) while driving the spring out the other side.

One thought in altering that spring- On mine, there's a notable gap between the spring shoulder & the band, almost 1/16 inch.

It requires no contact, on the FRONT spring, with the FRONT barrel band, at that SHOULDER.
The "button" on the spring & its hole in the band are obviously what retains the band in place.

You need full engagement with the button inside that hole.
If there's contact with the spring shoulder & the band that's preventing moving the band far enough back for fully centering the button in the hole, removing material from the spring shoulder to eliminate contact till you CAN center the button MAY fix the problem.

I don't know what you did the first time you disassembled the gun that left it in such a state that things didn't line up afterward, but this MAY help.

Something else to consider, IF the button does line up & pop back into its hole, is that you may have seated the spring deep enough to leave the button riding too LOW in its hole for positive engagement & retention.

You might, before punching the spring out entirely, just try to nudge its shaft slightly (again, with the pin punch on the OPPOSITE side of the stock) in the stock to leave the exposed spring riding fractionally higher.

I've done this with a Mosin that had wandering barrel bands, and as long as you don't screw up the shaft hole or do it repeatedly, the spring shaft typically stays put in its new "depth".

See if the button rides noticeably higher in its hole.
If that makes no noticeable difference, and/or the shoulder on the spring is contacting the band & preventing the button from lining up, you might remove the spring & just file off enough of that shoulder to let the button & hole line up right.

CAUTIONS: The less you fiddle, the better. I would not have messed with the sanding you did, at all. You MAY have changed tolerances somewhere in the wrong direction when you did that.

When you do things like that, you may think it's pretty simple stuff, but when you don't know what you're doing you can easily miss the fact that altering what's right in front of your eyeballs may shift something somewhere else in a spot or relationship that you don't see.

The general principle of gunsmithing is to make alterations to the smallest (as in "cheapest to replace") part.
I would not be whittling on the stock until other methods have failed.

I would not try to bend the spring, except possibly as a LAST resort.

Disclaimer: Not knowing what else you may have done to that thing, and not being there to analyze in person, any suggestions I've made here are to be considered carefully & thoroughly understood before you go ahead with them.
YOU are responsible for any further damage to the rifle, not me. :)
Denis
 
If I recall, the band actually contacts the part of the spring (the shoulder) and there is no discernable gap when it is assembled I will have to check it again, though. Will get back to you when I get home and can look at it.
 
I sanded the contacting point of the band with 100 grit sandpapier. I went did the usual reinstallation procedure. Nudged the spring into lock, went out and shot it. 5 rounds rapid fire. Stayed in place. The button receded a bit back into the recess but I think it was just settling in. Proceed to slap and beat the stock with my hands, stayed in place. Proceeded to drop it from an eye balled 1 foot in the air onto the ground three times and it still stayed in place. I think it will get better with use as everything settles in. if I have difficulty again I know what to do. Thank you again for your help guys!
 
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