Ashcroft steps up assault on our rights too

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scud

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010208/aponline014543_000.htm - link courtesy of assaultweb.net

Att gen Ashcroft want's to help us out with those pesky rights too, just like ol W:

Listing his three top priorities, Ashcroft said, "I want to stop gun violence, to reinvigorate the war on drugs, to end discrimination wherever I find it."
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Translation -

SUCKERS - I want to expand forfeiture and search & seizure laws, destory your right to privacy, pass hate crime legislation & disarm you and I'll have to expand law enforcement and the fed.gov to do it. and you thought we were for reduced government - LOL.

Hell, this is all in the first two weeks, may as well have voted gore, what a joke - too bad it's on us.




[Edited by scud on 02-09-2001 at 08:37 AM]
 
scud, I shall then infer from your comments that you totally disagree with Ashcroft and:
1. would like to see an increase in gun violence
2. allow drugs to freely flow into the country
3. promote discrimination and repeal the Civil Rights Act

My point here is that Ashcroft is only saying what most people believe anyway. When I was running for Congress and was asked about 'common sense gun control' I told people that I fully support 'common sense gun control'. Who doesn't? When I told that to some GOA representatives I could tell that they were irritated, until I explained that to me requiring a unique serial number to be put on each firearm was common sense and that anything regulations beyond that would have to be seriously reconsidered.
 
Jeff:

How could they reinvigorate a war that allows for seizure & search of property, all kinds of constitutional violations and already blatently violates a lot of personal privacy drug user or not w/o furthering the Orwellian mess we are currently in ? Besides that ending descrimination is very likely to equal hate crime legislation which opens a dangerous door to what exactly constitutes hate. The people he seeks to please will not be satisfied w/o some sort of legislative activity. For him to mention stamping out gun violence what could he possibly mean other then more vigorious enforcement of unconstitutional laws & possibly various other laws. These include enforcement methods obviously pointless in stopping individuals who 99% of the time possess weapons which are already illegal to begin with. These laws have a far more dramatic effect on peaceful gun owners then they do on criminals. I hope you are correct but I am afraid this bipartisan garbage is beginning to show it's face. We have lost so much that anytime I hear a politician talk about enforcement, or proactively stopping something all I can see is legislation.



[Edited by scud on 02-08-2001 at 10:41 PM]
 
With regards to gun violence, the main hope that we have is to enforce laws that disadvantage criminals. If Ashcroft goes after the criminal segment, then people just might let the rest of us live our lives. I'm not a big fan of the "war on drugs", but Ashcroft must play the political and legal game.
 
With regards to gun violence, the main hope that we have is to enforce laws that disadvantage criminals. ----

yeah the way that happened under Reagan and
Bush Senior.
Well Heck were in luck weve got atleast 500 new
BATF agents to help us get this done.
And this time our 'friends' n the NRA didnt see them
as jackbooted thugs that they are but instead a good
idea or 'their idea' after all to enforce the laws on the
books we must have more men to do so that specialize in those loving laws.
Everyone help me out here Im so lame on these things
help me name some of the thugs the ATF has put away.
I mean dont you just love the thought of federal troops in the area rather than your local PD bomb unit both of which your being taxed mightily for.

Read between the lines people...
'we will use the war on drugs and the 'enforcement of current laws ' to take everything you hold dear and put
it in our pockets.
Thing how much fun they can have with these things on a state level with the different laws.
Are you sure thats still legal firearm?
MA,NY,CA.

yeah our justice department is going to focus on the criminals
LOL IM gonna go rent a 3 stooges movie now.
 
scud,

Talk about grasping defeat from the jaws of victory... :)

Ashcroft also said on Larry King live that "all law abiding citizens have a CONSTITUTIONAL right to own firearms!~" When in the last 8 years did you ever hear anything even close to that from Clinton/Gore???

I do have problems with a new war on drugs... but I don't think that Ashcroft is for infringing on anyone's rights. Heck, he is even for an end to racial profiling!


Joe
 
Alright, I got a little hot headed when I read this I admit. I still don't like the sound of it but I see that this wasn't the "rest of the story" as they say. We have been jerked around so much that when I saw all the std. big .gov "boogieman" issues red lights went off everywhere. And yes, I fully expect to be betrayed by politico types so that does influence my feelings. However, the problem is that increasing anything at this point is sort of like a situation where you have 5 dollars, a person ask to borrow 2 you compromise and give him one, then you have $4, the same person ask for $2 later in the week, you compromise and give him one, now you have $3 and so on and so on, we are almost down to our last buck, any more compromise and we'll be flat broke. When we had $10.00 , even if we gave away one we still had money left ( we should have never given any away ), but now that we're broke, those dollars are worth a whole lot more.
 
One must...

consider the source. Washington Post is what it is, therefore the way words are written can and do slant their message. Dan Rather slants his take on "the news" by tossing in a word or an emphasis on a phrase that tends to change or diminish the subject.

Me? I prefer The Washington Times to the Post. (I didn't find an Ashcroft article with the same subject there or we could have compared them.)
 
I heard the AG speaking with Larry King the other evening, and his comments about escalating the War on Some Drugs. Disappointed, but not really surprised. Unfortunately, this is typical of the mainstream Republican party from what I've seen.

Re: guns, we'll see what he does. Frankly, if I was in that seat, I'd make similar noises. Now, what I would do regarding 'gun violence' would be different from what Democrats would do, but I would still phrase it in such a way that I recast the debate.

Words matter. You want to deal with 'gun violence'? Fine ... we'll make gun-using criminals really pay for their crimes ... we'll make it clear that homeowners can defend their property with lethal force ...

Regards from AZ
 
Much like...

South Carolina, right, Jeff? The AG there last week declared open season on home invaders, saying there will be no prosecution of people defending their homes from such predators.
 
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