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Article from JPFO. Some might disagree, some won't. Draw your own conclusions
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Republicrat
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Yep, I pretty much agree with all that was said.
I remember back in school being taught how most servant classes have always paid right around 50% to their rulers throughout history. What does that say about us?
I remember back in school being taught how most servant classes have always paid right around 50% to their rulers throughout history. What does that say about us?
steelheart
Moderator
One phrase pretty much sums it up - "The power to tax is the power to destroy."
The less money the people have the less power they have to fight the Law Makers.
Left wing dictators like Bill Clinton said, We need to focus less on individual rights.
Then he hit us with the largest federal tax increase in history, and signed the most resrictive gun bans into law.
Hillary castro Clinton wants to use national health care for her reason to take more money and control the health care system on top of it. Imagine the new Avenues this would open to left wing dictators/gun grabbers.
In Minnesota we have a new progressive running for Gov. and she wants to write free health care rights into the state constitution.
She's no fan fan of CCW or guns, she claims were over due for a nice tax increase
Left wing dictators like Bill Clinton said, We need to focus less on individual rights.
Then he hit us with the largest federal tax increase in history, and signed the most resrictive gun bans into law.
Hillary castro Clinton wants to use national health care for her reason to take more money and control the health care system on top of it. Imagine the new Avenues this would open to left wing dictators/gun grabbers.
In Minnesota we have a new progressive running for Gov. and she wants to write free health care rights into the state constitution.
She's no fan fan of CCW or guns, she claims were over due for a nice tax increase
Basically our tax dollars are being returned to as bribes in the form of "federal grants". The purpose of which is to make local governments and institutions beholding to the federal government. Its like financial heroin thats get pumped into these institutions, when they decide to try and kick the habit they find they cant and must comply with Uncle to keep getting fixes.
Chris Phelps
New member
Bravo! Well put.
High Taxes are BS. Our government could do a far better job with less than half of the current tax money, simply by reallocating the funds to a more needed cause.
High Taxes are BS. Our government could do a far better job with less than half of the current tax money, simply by reallocating the funds to a more needed cause.
Republicrat
New member
Are our taxes high when compared with other western nations?
Depends on who you're looking at. Some nations pay something like 80% when it is all added up. However, those are socialist hellholes.
I don't think that is really a fair comparison. I don't care what other nations pay, their slavery is not the barometer for our freedom (or lack of) here in the US.
Some countries that have taxes lower than us still manage to have things like fully government funded healthcare. Not that I would want that however, they are able to do it with less funds than we pay.
The problem is that the feds have gotten every little locality to accept their dirty federal money and they have it spent 10 ways before they even get it. That is the noose that has been slipped over the US. We've sold out to the Feds and now they own us. We need to give up the federal funds to start with at the local level.
MicroBalrog
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http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/tax_tot_tax_as_of_gdp
According to this, only 29,7% of the GDP of the United States is taxes, as opposed to 50%.
According to this, only 29,7% of the GDP of the United States is taxes, as opposed to 50%.
Micro, that percentage is a "weighted" average, with some forms of taxation given more wieght than others.
If you click on that link, you will see that the average American is paying 37.7% of his wages in personal income taxes. Then there is the goods and services tax at 17.6%. Now add property taxes at 10.1% and the social security taxes at 11.7% and you get an average tax of 77.1% of an average Americans wages, not the GDP, but wages.
It is deceptive to use the GDP as a basis to measure how you are taxed.
If you click on that link, you will see that the average American is paying 37.7% of his wages in personal income taxes. Then there is the goods and services tax at 17.6%. Now add property taxes at 10.1% and the social security taxes at 11.7% and you get an average tax of 77.1% of an average Americans wages, not the GDP, but wages.
It is deceptive to use the GDP as a basis to measure how you are taxed.
It's not that we beat the Soviets, it's just that we lasted for a few years more than them.
Serious Question:
What would happen if foreign countries and every other serious financial institution gets scared and stops buying US debt? Would the Fed finaly have to cut the fat or would we just be SOL?
Serious Question:
What would happen if foreign countries and every other serious financial institution gets scared and stops buying US debt? Would the Fed finaly have to cut the fat or would we just be SOL?
If there was a true small-govt party, they'd get my vote.
There is. Where have you been? http://www.lp.org
pipoman:
In the first instance, I posted the link for information purposes I thought that my opinion would be obvious. I guess it wasn't, so please note the following. In general, I agree with the points made in the article. particularly respecting the antics of BATFE.
Other than this, I would say that spending is out of control, and that the tax cuts pushed by the present administration appear more and more questionable.
I would also submuit, and this might be viewed as being somewhat off point, however for whatever it might be worth, it strikes me that President Bush, and his administration come through as having ever less credibility. This is NOT to say I would rather have had Al Gore, or Senator Kerry as President, rather it says that I find President Bush to be ever more questionable.
In the first instance, I posted the link for information purposes I thought that my opinion would be obvious. I guess it wasn't, so please note the following. In general, I agree with the points made in the article. particularly respecting the antics of BATFE.
Other than this, I would say that spending is out of control, and that the tax cuts pushed by the present administration appear more and more questionable.
I would also submuit, and this might be viewed as being somewhat off point, however for whatever it might be worth, it strikes me that President Bush, and his administration come through as having ever less credibility. This is NOT to say I would rather have had Al Gore, or Senator Kerry as President, rather it says that I find President Bush to be ever more questionable.
miconoakisland
New member
Disconcerting
Great article! I agree.
However, so much change is needed so drastically that nothing will ever change.
Those in power make laws to insure their power. Those seeking power align themselves with those in power.
No amount of common sense and truth will persuade power-mongers to eliminate themselves for the good of the people they wield power over.
Those in charge of making rules must constantly make more rules to justify their continued existance. The US legislative branch of government is, by definition, a law-making entity.
If laws enacted by the government were applied to the government the entire system would collapse! RICO, monopolies, fraud, coersion, libel, false prosecution, bribary, theft, etc.
It's not that all politicians are dishonest, moral-less, or two-faced, it's the system they must work in. In the history of mankind, there has never been a system of governing not fraught with abuses.
Those making a living and profiting from pointing out government failures are no different in theory than those they rail against. "We must dig to find fault to justify our existance to maintain an ever increasing expense of expansion to reach more people and increase our influence and importance."
We, the 2A advocates, should learn from our adversaries. Don't fight loudly for drastic change. Quietly get small changes. Don't demand concealed carry everywhere. Start by advocating concealed in the lesser places first, then expand when the anti horror stories don't come true. Demand concealed carry in bars, but aquiese down to restaurants that serve alcohol.
A utopian government is an oxymoron. Don't butt heads with the thick headed. Needle the thin-skinned. Sew up the bleeding hearts. Teach the ignorant. Pull the fence sitters, but provide a soft landing. Expose the hypocracy of anti 2A advocates that employ private security. Ask why free felons are trusted enough to be free, but not trusted enough to defend themselves. Ask why a government employee has more freedoms than a non-government worker. Ask why harassment of a woodpecker nest carries more penalties and fines than an uninsured illegal alien involved in a personal injury auto accident.
I am a member of the only group unavailable of any discrimination by anyone.
I am white (european-caucasion), male, heterosexual, middle age (39), christian (catholic), non-union, white-collar-non-government, fully able, sane, law-abiding, and single with no dependants. Personally, I have never been in a situation where I thought I was discriminated against, but then again, I chose my employers.
I attended a minority university ("historically black"-the term at the time) and was eligible for a minority grant scholarship. I had to actually jump through hoops and submit in writing my reasons for denying the grants.
Basically, I said that I thought grants and scholarships based solely on race was racist no matter who benefitted and that I wasn't going to have any part in it, even if I had to pay more. I received the "but we've got X amount of $ and if we don't allocate X %$ this year, we don't get X+%$ next year." I told them that I don't beleive in whites getting breaks to go to a black school any more than I beleive in blacks getting a break to go to white schools. It didn't sit well with them, but I was enrolled, none-the-less!
Fed up, but powerless!
Great article! I agree.
However, so much change is needed so drastically that nothing will ever change.
Those in power make laws to insure their power. Those seeking power align themselves with those in power.
No amount of common sense and truth will persuade power-mongers to eliminate themselves for the good of the people they wield power over.
Those in charge of making rules must constantly make more rules to justify their continued existance. The US legislative branch of government is, by definition, a law-making entity.
If laws enacted by the government were applied to the government the entire system would collapse! RICO, monopolies, fraud, coersion, libel, false prosecution, bribary, theft, etc.
It's not that all politicians are dishonest, moral-less, or two-faced, it's the system they must work in. In the history of mankind, there has never been a system of governing not fraught with abuses.
Those making a living and profiting from pointing out government failures are no different in theory than those they rail against. "We must dig to find fault to justify our existance to maintain an ever increasing expense of expansion to reach more people and increase our influence and importance."
We, the 2A advocates, should learn from our adversaries. Don't fight loudly for drastic change. Quietly get small changes. Don't demand concealed carry everywhere. Start by advocating concealed in the lesser places first, then expand when the anti horror stories don't come true. Demand concealed carry in bars, but aquiese down to restaurants that serve alcohol.
A utopian government is an oxymoron. Don't butt heads with the thick headed. Needle the thin-skinned. Sew up the bleeding hearts. Teach the ignorant. Pull the fence sitters, but provide a soft landing. Expose the hypocracy of anti 2A advocates that employ private security. Ask why free felons are trusted enough to be free, but not trusted enough to defend themselves. Ask why a government employee has more freedoms than a non-government worker. Ask why harassment of a woodpecker nest carries more penalties and fines than an uninsured illegal alien involved in a personal injury auto accident.
I am a member of the only group unavailable of any discrimination by anyone.
I am white (european-caucasion), male, heterosexual, middle age (39), christian (catholic), non-union, white-collar-non-government, fully able, sane, law-abiding, and single with no dependants. Personally, I have never been in a situation where I thought I was discriminated against, but then again, I chose my employers.
I attended a minority university ("historically black"-the term at the time) and was eligible for a minority grant scholarship. I had to actually jump through hoops and submit in writing my reasons for denying the grants.
Basically, I said that I thought grants and scholarships based solely on race was racist no matter who benefitted and that I wasn't going to have any part in it, even if I had to pay more. I received the "but we've got X amount of $ and if we don't allocate X %$ this year, we don't get X+%$ next year." I told them that I don't beleive in whites getting breaks to go to a black school any more than I beleive in blacks getting a break to go to white schools. It didn't sit well with them, but I was enrolled, none-the-less!
Fed up, but powerless!