Arrrrgh! New G19 problems.

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tl

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I also posted this on the Glock Talk site; apologies to those of you who have either seen it there or who have seen this kind of post before and are thinking 'Oh no, not another one".

I picked up a NIB 19 at a show last Saturday, and went to the range Sunday to try it out. The first 20 rounds were fine, the last 20 were fine (other than by then I was spooked), but the middle 60 gave me repeated problems: slide locked open before the magazine was empty. And one partially chambered round with the slide locked open. I was using CCI Blazer 147 gr TMJ. There were probably 8 or so problems with that middle 60, often but not always on the last round of 5 or 10 in the magazine. I did clean the barrel and lightly oiled the rails before shooting this gun for the first time.

I really need some help figuring out what was happening so I can correct it. Is it the ammo? Is it me? Is it the 19? The magazine? FYI, I've had no problems with my two month old 229 .40 with almost 500 rounds through it (Winchester and CCI); so I guess I'm saying I don't think it's me but I'm aware of the 'limp wristing' issue. I really like the feel of this gun, but I'm kind of sort of disappointed that my first Glock experience wasn't better. I want to find out how to approach this problem, so advice on trouble shooting protocols from those of you with more experience than mine will be greatly appreciated.


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Try a few different brands of ammo. Some people swear by CCI, some swear at it. Personally I'll use their primers, but not completed cartridges.

Glocks will usually eat anything you feed them, but you might have got a picky one.
 
Tl, I'd suggest that you try a different brand of ammunition in your 19. Get something with brass cases and a bullet weight in the 115 to 125 grain range. Better yet, try two or three different brands if your wallet can take the hit. Then give the gun at least 500 rounds before you consider it broken in. My guess is the problem will clear up within that round count and you will have a smooth running 19. If not call Glock, their customer service is pretty good and They will straighten out the problem for you.
Some guns are just ammo sensative, I have a buddy who's wonder nine WILL NOT function with the 147 grain ammo. He's lucky if it will go through a magazine without failure. It will run fine with the lighter bullets. Mark / FL
 
Ti,
Please field strip, and clean your gun like the Glock manual states. I know that you do not as yet have a manual. That is why I sugessted that you not fire it until you obtain said instruction. Burrs, and debris from the manufacturing process often are present on a NIB gun. If the gun is LNIB like you also suggested, it may have debris in it too.
Only after you have thoroughly cleaned, and properly lubed the firearm, should you continue with your ammo quest.

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Minor caliber my arse, 9mm rules the roost!!!!
 
It's probably the magazine. Replace it as soon as you can.

I don't know if this is the problem, but are you sure you aren't limp wristing? Those jams you are experiencing are common to limp-wristing.
 
the only time I had used Blazers it was .380 Auto through my (since sold) Taurus PT-58S. It didn't really like them. Since it was a simple non-barrel-tilting blow back gun, I'm thinking it was more susceptible to cartridge condition than a full power caliber. my opinion was that the very slight deformation of the cartidge's aluminum case as it was being chambered was the cause of the hang-ups I had experienced. I also had FTFs with brass but at a substantially lower rate.

In short, try other (brass cased) ammo.

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[This message has been edited by hksigwalther (edited June 26, 2000).]
 
I had a similar experience with my first short Glock- a model 23. My model 22 hadn't given me any problems, but my NIB 23 would lock the slide back with rounds still in the magazine (same ammo as my 22). I finally figured out that my high thumb hold in conjunction with the more energetic recoil of the 23 was causing my thumb to bump the slide stop, under recoil, and the slide would lock back. My solution was to hold the model 23 and my model 22 with my right thumb in the groove provided by the new finger groove frames. Good luck!

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Was it a finger-grooved frame? Y'all are probably wondering what the he!! I'm talking about, but I am just wondering if the new Glocks are as well made as the older ones. Never had a problem with any of the Glocks I've owned, but they were all older style- ala' pre-finger grooved. I want another Glock 19, but don't want the problems I've been hearing about with the new ones.

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Ditto what Gonzales said. I had the same problem with my new model 22. For some reason the recoil will cause a high riding thumb to brush the slide release and lock the slide rearward. With the new fimgergrooves my slide would lock back and I couldnt figure out why. My good rangemaster spotted this as I was intensely thinking front sight, trigger pull, breathe.
 
Thanks to all for the replies. If I can summarize, I believe I will:
a) Get a manual and thorougly clean the gun. Denfoote, should have followed your advice; and I thought my son was impatient! I did visually inspect it when I cleaned the barrel and didn't see anything obvious. BTW, if this is a LNIB and not a NIB, I will be upset; the box marking, receipt, and dealer all stated NIB.
b) Purchase some brass cased, lighter weight cartridges.
c) Load the as yet unused second magazine that came with the gun.
d) Fire a couple of hundred more rounds.
e) ... and then a couple of hundred more.
f) If the problem seems to have vanished, retry the first magazine .
g) If the problem persists with the second magazine, call Glock.

To address other questions: yes this 19 has the finger grooves. I'm not sure I'm not limp wristing, or getting my thumb in the way, but I don't think so. The strong hand thumb is in the groove, with the weak hand slightly overlapping. I'm still pretty new at this, so will pay more attention in the next go.

Questions: will the lighter grain loads have less recoil; and if it looks like the mag is the problem, is it fixable? And is my SIG experience atypical, or is the Glock just a different breed?

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"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence. It is power. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearsome master." George Washington
 
I had posted a similar problem back in march when my wife bought a new G-19 . We got it home and done the usual inspection of the bore and everything looked clean so we ran through a couple of boxes of UMC 115 gr.and we were disapointed at the results.It kept jaming inconsistently. I tried spraying REM OIL on the slide and it still jamed. I posted on the firing line and the good folks told me to try all the different types of amo, which I did . I kept having jams. I finally tried one recomendation on the heavier 147gr. and between that and getting all the factory gumed up antisieze off of it it started doing right. I have now probably shot about 500 rds. thru it with out any problems . I feel it should be reliable enough for my wife to carry with her now, but at first I had my doubts.I still wouldn't trade my Beretta 92fs for it,but my wife would like me to! Good Luck with the Glock.
 
OK when my G19 was new I found it to be rather tight and it needed to be broken in with some pretty hot loads. I used 124gr bullets. Don't go with something too lite. Mine also had the wrong mag followers from the factory but thats another story and doesn't sound like thats your problem. I have had reliability problems with aluminum cased bullets in just the last couple of weeks in a Mak so that may indeed be the culprit. I shoot GA Arms 124gr FMJ for range work and never had a bobble in my G19 after initial breakin.
 
The Glock comes with a special grease used for break in. I do not have my manual in front of me at this time, but my recollection is that you are supposed to shoot a certain number of rounds through it with just this grease during the break in period without cleaning or lubing. That is on the new pistols. My origional pistol had no such break in grease and I used Stihl lithium chainsaw sprocket grease to break it in using fairly stout loads. That was over ten years ago and no problem since. Slick 50 makes a spray called one lube which is great stuff, better than anything I was using including Remoil. Practically every pistol I own has required some breakin period- some longer then others. Personally, until I have at least 500 rounds through a pistol, I do not consider it broken in and am not to concerned about jams until then (unless of course it is a strange sort of jamming). Then I start looking at the magazines. With the Glock, that can get expensive. Obviously try new mag springs first (mark your mags to see if it happens with one mag more then the other), then try a recoil spring change. I have shot all kind of ammo through my G19, including Blazer, with no problems. Of course, every gun has it's own personality. Good luck.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by .357SIG:
I don't know if this is the problem, but are you sure you aren't limp wristing?[/quote]


Uh-Oh. Them's fightin' words!
 
I wouldn't shoot filthy CCI Blazer till I was convinced that that machine is broken-in. I'd at least put about 1000 rounds thruogh it and work it out before you start feeding it aluminum casings that leave heavy residue everywhere.
 
tl, maybe the glock just needs broken in? As for this limp wristing; Think about it, in a defensive situation where you have little control of body, hand, and arm position, if the gun won't go bang every time, no matter what, it's NOT RELILABLE!!! The worst line I have ever herd at the range when somebodys pet custom gun goes down is; "you held it wrong". Shoot Safe......CO

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I don't buy the break in period for a service pistol. It needs to work out of the box. Also whether the ammo is clean or dirty shouldn't matter one bit. A reliable service pistol needs to fire whatever appropriate caliber ammo you decide to use. Some Glocks are lemons. I had a second geenration Glock 19 that gave me constant problems. Never had any problems with a second generation Glock 17 or third generation Glock 19. Like any manufacturer Glock lets slip some faulty pistols. If after trying everything suggested here you still have problems, call Glock and arrange to ship the pistol back to them. You'll be out the cost of shipping but hopefully they'll solve your problem.

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[This message has been edited by Tecolote (edited June 28, 2000).]
 
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