Arm Teachers to prevent school shootings

ernest2

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I have been recommending that the state first test,then train, license and arm teachers for almost 18 months now.

The liberals and socialists will not listen
to the correct answer to the problem but deride and make fun of us instead.

And yet , the liberals and socialists
incorrect and wrong headed gun free terror zones,excuse me, gun free school zones is the politically correct term,
[the Colimbine victims will tell you about gun free terror zones] continue to cost the lives of our childern.

Because of this unfounded & uncalled for derision ,I blame the socialists and the liberals for the school shootings because their political agenda guarantees that criminal gun men in our schools will not have any armed opposition and have free reign to shoot as many students as they can before police finally arive and finally get around to decieding to enter the building.

This decision by police to enter the building
sometimes occurs as late as 30 minutes after the last gun shot has been fired by the felons.
This undue caution is necessary to insure that no police are needlessly endangered and that our childern die instead of our policemen.
(This may seem fair to Al Gore and Bill Clinton, but not to me!)
For some unfounded reason, I seem to think that the police should rush in to save our childern; but authorities do not agree.

I must have "Old Fashioned Values" and "Old
Fashioned Common Sense" both of which seem to be vanishing commodities these days.

At any rate,and , for all the good it will do, some one has finally joined their voice to mine, below.


James Crispino wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: press@gunsafe.org <press@gunsafe.org>
> To: Gunsafe members <press@gunsafe.org>
> Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 11:31 AM
> Subject: Lawmaker proposes arming school staffs
>
> >This was on page 8A of the Waterbury Republican 04/28/00. Doesn't seem to
> be available on the Internet.
> >
> >Lawmaker proposes arming school staffs
> >
> >DENVER-A Colorado lawmaker wants to arm 10 percent of each school's
> >staff - including teachers- as part of a safe-schools package.
> >
> >State Rep. Mark Paschall's proposal, which he included as part of the
> >governor's education program, shocked some legislators Wednesday. The House
> >refused to even consider it, and some lawmakers dismissed it as a lark.
> >
> >But Paschall, R-Arvada, insisted, I'm dead serious."
> >
> >Paschall said he had considered sponsoring a separate bill earlier this
> >session at the request of some teachers in Jefferson County, home of the
> >Columbine High School shooting tragedy. Under Paschall's proposal, at least
> >10 percent of each school's staff would be trained to use firearms and be
> >issued permits to carry concealed weapons. Only the principal and the
> >permit-holders would know who was packing a weapon, he said, so potential
> >gunmen wouldn't know who to take out.
> >
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ernest2 --opinion---

The liberals and socialists seem to think that their way is the only way that something good can be acomplished and they are , in my opinion, very very wrong about this.

Their wrong headed attitude is actually causing the school shooting problem.

They insist upon forcing their failed
victim disarmament scheemes upon us and
refuse to take responsibility when their
failed policy produces the expected totally
unnecessary and preventable deaths.

In My Opinion,this is a fine example of the - care--less misuse of authority and power and of the price "We The People and Our Childern" must pay for their victim disarmament political agendas.

It is,in my opinion, proof that mostly
what they care about is their power and political agenda and not properly safe guarding our childern by arming the teachers.

I find it quite funny that they have armed guards for money and jewelery but not for our childern.

This of course,and in my opinion, must mean that their money and their jewelery are more important to them than the live of just one child, or 12 childern and one teacher.

How often have you heard them say"IF It Saves Just One Live" and "Lets Do It For The Childern" when they are proposing yet another victim disarmament law that focuses on law abiding gun owners while missing the cause of the problem, criminals, completely.

And yet , this May 14th, we will have to endure their "Do As I Say and Not As I Do"
hypocracy, yet again, as they make yet another in a never ending secession of attacks upon our Constitution and our Second Ammendment Civil Rights.

Some one should remind them that their rights stop when they begin to infringe on our rights.

(I have not done a good rant in some time so this one should hold off the urge for some little time, at least.)

[This message has been edited by ernest2 (edited April 30, 2000).]
 
It makes too much sense.The goverment needs the school shooting to farther there disarmlament
agenda.I however think you totaly in the right.


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and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
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After Columbine, Massad Ayoob managed to personally propose that both on TV (some morning show, alongside the NEA head babbling "but that would send the wrong message") and in print (Wall Street Journal editorial page). The idea did get kicked around for a bit. Perhaps it's time to stick it out there again for some more kicking; more exposure means more converts.
 
Here in AZ quite a few of the school teachers already have CCWs, along with the attendant background checks, training etc. I see two problems with letting them pack at work. One, we have to overcome the resistance of the anti sheeple; and Two, we have to tell the FEDs to stuff the gun free school laws. Neither obstacle will be easy to overcome. Even many of the teachers would be resistant to such a plan as nearly all of them were themselves taught by teachers who broadcast the socialist propaganda that has been dictated for many years by our government. Readin, writin, rithmitik n history have long since been preempted by social studies and how to be acceptable to the rest of the herd. Goals and grades are no longer criteria for advancement.
So few hoes and such a large field to weed.

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Sam I am, grn egs n packin

Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
C.R.Sam - to the best of my knowledge, states can already tell 'em to "stuff" the gun-free school zone laws. All they have to is explicitly make carrying in schools legal for CCWs in their state laws.
 
ernest2,
First off let me say that I agree with the teachers being armed. I think it would deter some of these shooters.

My question to you is about your statements regarding the police not entering the building immediately. If you were one of the first officers on the scene would you "rush in to save the children" even though you have no idea what is going on? Lets be realistic about this, if the police rush in they are now part of the problem. I know there is a question about the police response in Colimbine which I will not comment on since I have not followed the story (I refuse to as my protest to the media's handling of such tragedies).

I can give you one reason why the police handle such events as they do....attorneys. Police departments have basically been neutered by lawsuits that have made attorneys rich. Basically no matter what the LEOs do it is wrong according to the attorneys.

Local police are not the enemies. I think will all better pray that our police system in this country does not get federalized because if it does.....you aint seen nothing yet!

[This message has been edited by mrat (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
I read somewhere (JPFO site I think) that in the 70's, Israel had a problem with terrorist attacks on schools. Mass shootings, I believe. They armed teachers, and the attacks stopped.

It seems that the ubiquitous "officer safety" is the excuse whenever officers have failed to put their lives at risk to save someone. Lately the hazy and constantly shifting concept of "officer safety" has even over ruled the U.S. Constitution. "The most important thing is that I go home alive to my family at the end of my shift." What a load of crap.

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[This message has been edited by deanf (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
I just did a little research on the Gun Free School Zone Act of 1995 on the California State Law site. (Section 629.9). According to my non professional reading of this law in does not prohibit anything that was not already illegal.

Exempted are residences businesses near school (626.9 (c) (1)), unloaded and locked in container or trunk (c) (2).

626.9 (l) says that the section does not apply to, ammong others, "a person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chamber 1 of Title 2 of Part 4. (12050 is the section which describes the CCW license terms and process.

So if you are CCW you can carry anything on your permit. Otherwise it unloaded and locked up. How is this different than any other public place other than the enhanced penalties for violation.

Whoops forgot to bring it back on topic.

So if you are a teacher with a CCW you should be able to carry absent any terms of employment issues.


[This message has been edited by Bullwinkle (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
Check your state laws, also.

Also, the issue is complex. Given a real analysis of it will lead to the usual implication that I don't support the RKBA, I'll pass. I might have also posted on this in the past of TFL, one could search.

If you a teacher and serious, e-mail me.
Tell me where you teach.
 
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