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No, Stag is a good choice as is DPMS, S&W, RRA, Bushmaster, LaRue, Bravo Co., and others. You are going to pay for what you want them to put on your AR. Each will build your AR to your specifications. Which will do a better job, that is a question that others will chime in on, but it is only an opinion. I have two Bushmasters, a lot of AR snobs would not own them, but that is their problem. They are both good guns and I have no intention of going out and starting a war, so a commercial gun is fine for my purposes. Stag has been making AR parts for almost as long as there have been AR's their guns are of good quality, but then again so are a lot of others. Pick what you want on it and stay within your budget, unless you are going to Iraq or Afganistan as a private contractor, but then you would not be asking this question.

Good Luck
Jim
 
and a piston gas system on my AR.

Skip it, just makes it heavier, more complicated and really doesn't help matters. Heck I put 400 rounds through my new M&P Sport the other day without one jam, and couldn't find any carbon buildup.
 
Piston is a solution to a non-existent problem. The people who push for piston systems are the ones without ARs and those who don't shoot ARs. If you suggest a piston system you just don't know what you're talking about.


Those Stag rifles have **** options and are not worth the high price they ask. You're much better off getting a good upper on its own and adding to a complete lower bought locally if you can.


Do this deal:
http://www.smartgunner.com/DanielDefenseLiteURG.aspx

16" 1:7" twist govt profile mid length
fixed front sight post
AR15 Lite Rail™ 12.0 FSPM (Mid-length)
Standard A2 Flash Hider


buy this BCG and ch:
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-4-p/bcm gfh mod 4 556.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-...Auto-M16-p/bcm bolt carrier group auto mp.htm




Stag, DPMS, CMMG, Doublestar, etc are just CMT-made overpriced turds
You're way better off getting an AR from a company that makes them to proper specification IE military. It's a military rifle. The commercial brans like Stag just cut corners everywhere to profit off of occasional range shooters.


and if you're worried about reliability you should try this:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.a...+Arsenal+SGL31+Saiga+5.45x39+Rifle&groupid=11
 
@Volucris: The deal you suggested: $1153. The bolt you suggested: $140. The charging handle you suggested: $45.
Total: $1338.
I don't even have a rear sight and I'm paying about the same as I would pay for a SIG516 Patrol (a piston gun).

I am not experienced in the AR world but is there some reason why I'm paying the same amount of money for a DI gun as I would normally pay for a piston gun?
 
My Daniel Defense is one of the best in the business, and it's a standard Direct Impingment.

Piston isn't bad, but it's simply not necessary, especially if you care for your weapons. Stick with DI.

In your budget, M&P Sport, Stag, Bravo Company, and Rock River deserve a look.
 
@LawScholar: I want to know why you (and Volucris) think Daniel Defense is the best in the business? And, oddly enough, unlike him you don't mind recommending M&P Sport, Stag, Bravo Company, and Rock River. I needs to know lol
 
Daniel Defense is an extremely well-made AR, using very high-quality components, with excellent customer service and quality control. Other AR markers heavily use DD components, especially their rails, even Noveske models that are thousands more.

Volucris is in the definite minority not approving of Stag. Do a search on this forum and you'll find that most highly recommend Stag as a starter AR. (But he recommended a Daniel, so he can't be all bad ;) )

I do agree with him about the spotty quality control of DPMS and Doublestar (some will love theirs, but they have a higher reported number of quality control issues, as does Olympic (stay away from Olympic at all costs)

I have no personal knowledge of CMMG, so will refrain from commenting.

Volucris is right about mil-spec being a good thing. Daniels, for instance, are designed to meet or exceed mil-spec (they call it Mil-Spec+)
 
LawScholar said:
Other AR markers heavily use DD components, especially their rails, even Noveske models that are thousands more.

I'm sure Noveske would custom build you a rifle with a DD hand guard, there normal hand guards are MOE, monolithic Vltor and the house brand that's made by SWS.
 
You know I don't really have a dog in this fight except to say that every brand will have a failure rate (I've been issued Colt M4s that sucked and FN M16s that sucked) so there is no company that won't put out the random ****.

That being said, if this is your first AR, what the heck are you planning on doing with it? If you want to plink and have fun any brand will do. If you want to get into High Power competition, well that becomes a horse of a different color (and while the m4 clones are competitions legal, no one really uses them because they suck at the 600 yard, and the sight radius sucks).

And don't get hung up on "milspec" for any reason. There is no magical "milspec" fairy dust that turns a rifle into a never jam always ready high speed low drag tango killing machine.

Anyways, I think you will be happy with the Stag you picked out. For a few dollars less you can get a comparable Doublestar carbine (even after paying 50 bucks to upgrade to a chrome bore).

Jimro
 
Here is a thought; How about a piece gun.

I'm into target shooting. For a quality target AR, the lower doesn't matter, except for the trigger. Its the Upper that counts.

I have a cheap off the wall Gun Show lower, with a match trigger and a White Oak upper. That puppy shoots, but its the upper.

I'd recommend buying the lower and upper seperatly. Get any lower and put the money into the Upper. How much depends on what you expect out of your rifle accuracy wise.
 
@Volucris: The deal you suggested: $1153. The bolt you suggested: $140. The charging handle you suggested: $45.
Total: $1338.
I don't even have a rear sight and I'm paying about the same as I would pay for a SIG516 Patrol (a piston gun).

I am not experienced in the AR world but is there some reason why I'm paying the same amount of money for a DI gun as I would normally pay for a piston gun?
Because the direct impingement system is inherent to the AR-15 rifle. It was not designed to use a piston system. There is no point in rigging it to use a piston system. A proper, military spec AR-15 upper will run thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammunition without problems. Read this:
http://www.03designgroup.com/reviews/bcm-complete-ar15-upper-and-lower-receivers


That deal only came out to that much because you didn't read my post very well if at all. I said get a lower separately. A complete lower with car stock is about $250.


That upper:$655
That BCG and CH: $185
Total for upper without rear sight: $840

This is because the rail system is expensive. Rails are not cheap. The samson crap Stag wants to sell you is heavy and at a high profit margin.

Rear sight:
The Magpul MBUS latest gen are quite good. Used Matech 600m sights are good. Carry handle rear sights are always reliable and can be had for $30 from people going to an optic setup.

So at around $50 for a rear iron sight:
$890 for the upper total

Add $250 for a completed lower:
$1140 total


Or you can get a complete one from AIM but pay the excise tax and the price they charge for their lowers:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/catalog.aspx?groupid=11

That would be one hell of a rifle. It's a lot cheaper than the Stag rifle too because if you haven't noticed, they charge on top of $1145 about $200 for a rail system and limit you to two types.




I'm talking to you about a rifle you can do everything with and depend on it to protect your life. Something with the utmost reliability. If you want something to go sit at a bench at a shooting range and punch holes at paper slowly at 50 yards then just get the cheapest AR you can get (about $600 on the used market). Don't be surprised if the chamber is bad, the barrel twist rate sucks, the bolt lugs crack off, the gas key separates, it only likes some ammo, etc. There are too many crap companies that just want to cut corners and push out something that looks and mostly acts like a good Colt but just for a little less money. It's a terrible thing.





For building a lower you can get one online for about $60, transfer for around $20, then get a lower build kit from Palmetto State Armory for under $250 all in. Lowers are lowers. They don't take much stress at all and just align the hammer to smack the firing pin when you want it to.
 
I've seen Colt bolts crack. I've had Colt M4s with bolt over ride, bolt UNDER ride, and I've had FNs with failures to extract. Where is that "milspec" reliability?

Most people don't need to fight in fallujah, and those that do will do so with their issue rifle with all its faults and issues.

The only bolt system I think might last "forever" is the new Knights Armament system, and that is not "milspec" by any stretch.

Ignore the word "milspec" it is nothing but mall ninja fairy dust, somewhat similar to "tactical" or "elite" or some other nonsense.

Jimro
 
piston systems are FAR superior to gas impingement for reliability. if you shoot at the range and clean everytime you're cool. if you're fighting for your life in a SHTF scenario for an extended period you dont want dirty gasses being directed back into your gun. go with your plan.
 
if you shoot at the range and clean everytime you're cool. if you're fighting for your life in a SHTF scenario for an extended period you dont want dirty gasses being directed back into your gun.

Got a lot of time in combat with a piston gun and a DI gun to tell the difference do ya' ????
 
Stag, DPMS, CMMG, Doublestar, etc are just CMT-made overpriced turds
You're way better off getting an AR from a company that makes them to proper specification IE military.

Interesting statement. First time I have seen someone dis Doublestar. What problems have you had or heard about.

Mil-Specs are not about quality. Than are to insure consistancy. I've seen tens of thousands of commerical parts have Mil-Specs generated for them. This insures that the part the system was designed with is used on every unit. On a side note I've also seen bunches of Mil-Specs with BIG errors in them. Imagine a 3" part with a 5" hole in it.
Dallas Jack
 
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no, sir. just read alot. alot. i value your experiences and appreciate your service too, though. never had any reliability problems?
 
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