ar question

Crankgrinder

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i see alot of folks getting into ar builds and im not that different. so there might as well be an ar forums these days. I have a simple question. i prefer 7.62.39 to the 5.56 which im not much of a fan of. bigger heavier bullet. Im also a believer in as long a barrel as your gunpowder will allow. All of the 20 inch configurations i see as kits come with an A2 setup which means it comes with a "classic" buttstock. all of the 16" "carbines" come with the more modern m4 stock which i like better. is there something about this settup that is why it seems to be reccomended for configurations beyond 16"? an adjustable stock would seem to enhance shooting comfort no matter what the length. or is it one of those things people just dont do like white after labor day and all that?
 
Get a complete lower, with your M4 style stock, and buy a complete upper of your preferred length. Last I herd on the x39 AR is that they do not function perfectly yet. Maybe consider 6.8, x51, 6.5..exc
 
You can buy one with an A2 stock (what the non-adjustable is called) and swap it out easily for the adjustable one.
 
yes ive also heard of a situation with the mags, my friend at work built one and ive seen his work just fine. his is not an expensive variation by any means. im just not that impressed with the 5.56, it seems barely bigger than a .22. i dont like it. i was thinking of doing just as you folks say by ordering just what i want. but seeing as how no one seems to offer this variation as a kit or assembled unit it seemed beneficial to ask. 6.8 and 6.5 are great rounds but the ammo is so much more expensive.
 
is there something about this settup that is why it seems to be reccomended for configurations beyond 16"?
They usually come that way because that is the way they were designed for the military, the 16" barrel version is a carbine (M4) and carbines came with a collapsible stock while the 20" version is the rifle (M16) which came with a fixed buttstock. They are interchangeable, you can get which ever you prefer.
 
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the main reason that many people go with the fixed butstock with a 20 inch barrel is because it is a classic style. I've seen 20 inch rifles with adjustable stocks and I've also seen the 16 inch rifles with a fixed buttstock. there is no real advantage of fixed over telescopic asside from a slight increase in stability and it isn't even hardly noticable, especially in rifle that is chambered in 7.62x39.

I've never seen a x39 conversion in 20 inch configuration but I wouldn't mind having one with the adjustable buttstock
 
i prefer 7.62.39 to the 5.56 which im not much of a fan of. bigger heavier bullet.

If being 7.62 was all it took, then a 120 gr .380 would do just as much. Right?

Obviously not, and I make the comparison to point out that the amount of powder in the case is what does the work - not the diameter or weight of the bullet. Check the ballistics tables again, and you'll see the x39 doesn't make even with the .30-30 - because the ratio of powder to bullet weight means it's underloaded.

Other factors to consider are the case taper - the x39 requires a fully curved mag to feed reliably, exactly what the AK had, and what the AR jinks up with it's straight mag well. If anything, the better AR mags are designed to feed ammo in a curved stack too, and there's just enough room to get away with it. We'd actually be better off if the mag well was slant cut and we had proper curved mags overall.

an adjustable stock would seem to enhance shooting comfort no matter what the length.

What length the stock would be is largely a matter of what position you're shooting in, prone, kneeling, offhand, or tactically squared up, and whether you have an armored vest on. Being comfortable is something else entirely - an M4 adjustable at a good position may still have the wrong footprint shape, hit the shoulder at the angle, and hopefully you don't get a really good cheekweld shooting it in subzero temps when you put your warm face against a -20 aluminum buffer tube. Note very carefully the adjustable stock is not used in the Artic, precisely where heavy coats would seem to need the accommodation.

I built a AR with A1 stock, rifle handguards, and in 6.8SPC, with a 16" barrel. I use it primarily to hunt in cold weather, wanted enough handguard to protect me and the barrel, wanted 40% more power, and knew that cartridge was designed for the 14.5" - so NFA legal 16" was sufficient.

What the market offers to the impulse AR buyer is either a full on varmint, or a lookitmee CQB fantasy rifle, which is why there's such a variety. If this gun that's getting built needs some sorting out, here's how to do it:

Pick the exact job it's going to do, either kill live targets or paper ones. That will select the best cartridge, don't compromise. That cartridge is optimum in a specific barrel length, don't compromise. Screw that barrel on a A3 flattop, you can attach any optic you want. The stock? If you are ranked in the top 10% in that type shooting, you don't need a recommendation, and if you're not, you aren't good enough to tell the difference. It really means that little. Until then, a standard fixed stock will do. Same for grip. The handguard could be freefloated, a full length rail is useless for scope mounting as you can't bridge it. If you picked a barrel that is guaranteed to shoot under 1MOA, fine, otherwise, that $300 can go to something more productive, like the optic. Trigger last, an adjustable take up screw is about all you need unless it's a competition range gun. Goes back to will $250 make you twice as good a shooter? Not really, it just feels twice as good.

Cartridge, barrel, upper, stocks then trigger. It all flows from what amount of gunpowder and power you need downrange, not what diameter bullet seems to be.
 
now that is some useful info. thanks for that reply. im sure there are better rounds out there, mostly im looking for multi purpose round, economical to buy more of, shoot paper, varmints,deer and in extreme case if need be, people. sure ill check into ballistics and other rounds before settling on this one. but ive heard too many of my uncles stories from vietnam along with a few others and they seemed to believe the 5.56 was insufficient to stop. many threw down their m16s and picked up aks from what i understand. i do not know i was not there but this is the information i got. i would go with .308 if it were not so much more expensive and requiring its own lower half not to mention the increase in pressure possibly causing increased wear that i do not forsee. im not necessarily looking for "the best" for one single purpose but only the best all around. for now 7.62 seems to be it minus the curvy mag issue.
 
I have a 20" Model 1 upper in 762X39. I use that cartridge for hogs. I usually shoot it on an Armalite lower with a fixed A1 length stock, and a JP trigger. It performs very well for me. With Wolf 154gr soft point ammo, I can easily get 1.5" groups at 100 yards. I have no need for high cap mags so I use the MGW plastic ones from DPMS or AR stoner 10 round mags. I really like my 762X39 upper, it is my personal version of a 30-30.
 
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