AR-15's are now illegal for "public"

John/az2

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From the Sunday April 30th East Valley Tribune.

I HATE these idiots! :mad:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Within a year, Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio acquired 130 M-16s -- a gift from the U.S. military, which also has promised future donations of larger-caliber M-14s, he said. Arpaio eventually wants all 550 deputies to have a rifle when they are on patrol.

"Nothing is too much firepower," he said of the guns, which can fire 30 rounds in 3 to 4 seconds.

Arpaio said his deputies need the rifles, state-of-the-art body armor and bulletproof film for their patrol cars because they are often on their own against the bad guys. Unlike a city police officer, county deputies work in places where backup help is not available or is some distance away, he said.

"So, I am giving my deputies the tools they need to not only protect themselves, but the public as well," Arpaio said. "I think we are the only agency that issues the M-16 to patrol officers

"So far, we have been lucky. We haven't had to use them."

East Valley officers may not carry M-16s. But departments from Gilbert to Scottsdale are turning to a semiautomatic [evil(my insert)] twin, the AR-15, another weapon that can't be sold legally to the public. Earlier versions of the guns were first used by the military during the Vietnam War.

Chandler and Scottsdale allow officers to spend their own money to buy AR-15s through the department and use on the job. Chandler taxpayers also have paid for 12 rifles to beef up the police armory. Tempe has 15 of the semiautomatic AR15s with 75 more on order, and Gilbert has 14.

The Arizona Department of Public Safety has extended use of the assault rifle across the state, receiving 200 AR15s from the military and training 600 troopers to use them.

But the two Valley cities with the most crime, Mesa and Phoenix, have yet to outfit patrol officers with any assault rifles.
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I'll let this article speak for itself...the rest of it (not printed here) throws in the regular drivel about "assault rifles". My poor wife thought I was choking on something when I read this. Then I explained to her that I was being choked by "assualt reporting."

You know there's a letter to the editor about this article!

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited April 30, 2000).]
 
I don't get the Tribune but it sounds like they have the same lack of accuracy as the Republic.

Yavapai Co, AZ. pretty heavily armed also.

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Point of history, just a few years ago, Sheriff Joe's Maricopa County Sheriff's Posse raffled off an AR-15 as a fund raiser.

I don't think that Joe was directly involved in that, but he didn't apoligize for it when the media came a knockin'.

I have no idea how strongly Joe support the RKBA, nevertheless.

rick
 
Colt made the AR-15. It is a 'semiautomatic assault rifle' as defined in Sec 922 and the manufacture was banned in 1994. Colt now produces the 'Match Target'. Granted the AR-15 is not illegal to possess, but it is illegal to manufacture for sale to the public, of course, not to LE.
 
The better question than whether Colt AR-15's are legal for sale to the public is why it's OK for the cops to send out M-16's with every patrolman but not to sell new "pre-ban" AR-15's to the public?

That would be a good question for a letter to the editor.
 
So Jeff,

If the AR-15 is illegal to manufacture anymore does that mean that Olympic, Bushmaster, Colt, etc. are no longer making the lowers? Or does that mean that they can no longer sell the fully assembled gun to the public?

Just what was it then that I sold privately to "joe public" a few months ago?

I'm really confused now, and I think I'm missing some information.

Please fill me in before I tear into this reporter and the tables are turned to where I look the fool.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
What you are missing is a bayonet lug...in combination with a "pistol grip protruding prominently from below the stock," flash suppressor, collapsable stock and detachable magazine.

You are missing a combination of two or more of those on *new* rifles. Say bye-bye, then, to the birdcage, the bayonet lug on any semi-auto rifle with a detachable magazine. It would be perfectly legal to have these cosmetic additions on a Remington semi-auto hunting rifle (what is it? the 7400?) but not on a new AR-15 type clone or the AR10 or the DSArms FALs, etc.

There was so much bayonet crime, after all.

Rick
 
Not to stray too far from the topic, but, to me, the article suggests that civilian law enforcement in the US is becoming militarized, either through tactics or, in this case, through the issuing of military weaponry on a broad scale, or both. Of course, police and sheriff's departments have always had a certain number of military weapons at their disposal. But nowadays it seems like the goal of some LE departments, including the sheriff's department in the article, is to convert themselves into small armies. Hopefully, my perception is wrong!

[This message has been edited by jimmy (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
I've got no problem with law enforcement having full-auto weapons. My stressing Arpaio's comments was to draw attention to the fact that MANY feel the need for personal protection. And MANY feel that it is just for the few.

Here's the bone. Anything good enough for the military's infantry, and the law enforcement society is good enough for John Q. Citizen.

Comments like "Nothing is too much firepower..." and "...not only protect ourselves..." ignite in me righteous indignation at the EXCEPTIONS to the rule.

It is so blatantly contradictory when a politician spews crap like this while ignoring the needs and RIGHTS of the "little people," that (I believe) so many people miss it because it is so obvious.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
John, AR-15's aren't illegal to manufacture; Colt just stopped making them. The Colt rifles were the Sporters and HBAR Sporters. There hasn't been a Colt AR-15 made in years!

Bushmaster doesn't sell AR-15s either. Although you can buy a great E-15A2! ;)
 
That's what I thought!

So TBeck, are you saying that the designation AR-15 is strictly for Colt, and that other manufactures of the "AR-15" look-alikes are NOT AR's per'se? But because of their uncanny resemblence to the Colt AR-15 they are commonly called such?


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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited May 01, 2000).]
 
That is why I build my own AR's.

You know I have always felt that every one in America should be required to follow all gun laws without exception. This means law enforcement, DEA, ATF, CIA, FBI, Body guards, Secret service, everyone. Let them get a taste of their own medicine. If this happened I'm sure they would start repealing laws left and right.

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The semi auto AR-15 can not be sold to the public in the LEO form
post 1994 ARs can only have 2 evil features
detachable magazines & pistol grips are the common configurations for post bans

LEO configuration can add
Bayonet lug
threaded barrel end
flash hider
& colapsable stock

Olympic sells the PCR-15
Bushmaster sells the XM-15
AR 15s were named as a SAW in the 1994 law

dZ
 
When Old Joe got the M 16s the media covered it.They showed them on the range of course shooting on semi auto.When they show a private person they always show someone shooting a 16 on full auto.Don't you just love the media!

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That's right John. Colt made the AR-15 back long before anyone else made an AR-15 'type' rifle. The AR-15 came with a pistol grip, threaded muzzle with flash hider, bayonet lug, some even had collapsable stocks. When the other manufacturers began making clones, we forgot the Armalite EA-15 and doesn't Olympic make a PCR now, Colt began making the AR-15 Sporter which did not have a bayonet lug. The Match Target is the Colt version of the politcally correct model.
 
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