Apparently we've won with a twist...

That guy is a moron. I really love the comment about if you own a gun you better be ready to go to Tehran as you're part of the National Guard. Yes because the National Guard was around when the founding fathers said that the people's right to bear arms was necessary to a maintain a free democracy. People like that lose arguments because they don't even bother to get the right facts, they just make crap up.

In the words of Bugs Bunny..........WHAT A MAROON! :mad:
 
Well, I posted a comment but it hasn't appeared :confused: Oh well, least it made me feel better to get it off my chest.

National Guard? Do I need to point out that the second amendment was written long before the creation of the National Guard and to the framers of the Constitution the "militia" refers to the citizenry?

Your comment about there being too many guns to control is ridiculous. Firearms are relatively simple machines that with proper care and maintenance can literally last centuries. They're not hard to manufacture. It's no easier to uninvent the firearm than it is to unfry an egg. To stop the production of guns you would need to ban the knowledge of internal combustion from the populace in addition to first establishing world peace because we all know that militaries will always require firearms.

You go on pretending that gun control keeps you safe. Go on living in a fantasy world in which governments cannot be corrupted over hundreds of years. Go on enjoying your security alarm while I'm confident that if someone breaks into my home with the intent to do me harm they will not succeed.

Your right to print this article is directly protected by my right to own my guns. Go ahead and call us paranoid; no, I don't believe that my government has the ability to become tyrannical in my lifetime. I don't believe it's likely to become an oppressive socialist or communist regime. I do, however, worry about the state of our nation long after I'm dead. I worry how free the next generation will be as well as the one after. The decisions we make today affect the future in ways we can't begin to imagine and at the end of the day I'd rather know that future generations will have the choice to defend themselves from those that would do them harm, be it thugs looking to steal a car or a government that lost sight of why it's allowed, by we the people, to hold authority.
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What a loser that guy is. He's a professional writer, and he can't come up with an anti-gun argument any more articulate than, "You know what I say? I say, once more, spare me all the blah, blah, blah"?!

Yeah, great mind at work, there. :barf:

His argument against guns amounts to no more than, "Yeah? Oh yeah?! Oh YEAH?! Well... nuts to you!" :rolleyes:

Sorry, but saying that you're tired of hearing people's valid arguments is NOT a true refutation of those valid arguments.


-azurefly
 
The Man Who Never Alters His Opinion is Like Standing Water and Breeds Reptiles of the Mind /William Blake :p
 
His argument against guns amounts to no more than, "Yeah? Oh yeah?! Oh YEAH?! Well... nuts to you!"
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ROFL!!! That's pretty funny man. Sad that's the best the writer could come up with in essence, but funny.
 
I wrote him a note myself, and I'm struck by how others here think similarly to myself.
When cooresponding with people like this guy, it never does any good if you come across as his "enemy" because he'll just delete your message the moment he comes to the "you're stupid" part (or the moment he realizes that you are NOT supporting his drivel).

So I wrote a response as if I were on his side of the issue and had a little fun with him.
Like this:

Mr. Rodricks,
About your gun control "argument" article...

You are a professional writer for a large newspaper, and all you could come up with was; "... spare me all the blah, blah, blah" as your argument, and then some silly "marching on Tehran" comment?

I would prefer that you keep your mouth shut if you can't articulate your position better than that. You do more harm to the movement than you think you are doing good.

Next time, leave these kind of articles to those who truly understand the issues involved. Your attempt at this is just the kind of fodder the "gun nuts" need to show how ignorant we really are, and yes, you came across as being truly ignorant.
Gun control is clearly NOT your "subject", so leave it alone for others to articulate.

Regards
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Carter
 
Redworm's comment about manufacturing firearms is dead on. My uncle recently told me how years ago he found a homemade handgun buried in mud in a field. Took it home, cleaned it up and it fired just fine. He said the entire thing was home made.
 
"Your gun ownership makes you part of well-regulated militia, that is, the National guard."

When someone purchases their first handgun, they automatically become a member of the National Guard? Really? That's great!! Why didn't anyone tell me? I want to fly the helicopter! :cool:

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"Procrastinators unite.....
Tomorrow"
 
Update!

Review my previous post about the note I wrote the moron. As I said, letters of disagreement get deleted immediately so it's more fun to play around a bit.

So as an update to my previous post, allow me to report that I just got a personal response from the moron.

Now, it's not really exciting and it's pretty much what I would expect him to say, but note that I directly told him that he was "ignorant", and yet, he responded to my "nice" letter!

This reminds me in the film "Dark Star" when the ship's captain was arguing with the sentient computer on board the ship trying to convince it to not blow itself up. They were essentially having an argument on semantics to where the computer said at one point: "This is fun!"

Here's the email response:

Thank you for your supportive letter. I have been drenched in obviously
NRA-influenced letters from gun owners who still feel a need to rationalize
the liberal gun laws we have in the United States. You need to write
letters to the editor and to Congress and state legislators, and join me in
a public raising of this issue again and again until our nation rids itself
of the scourge of out-of-control firearms.
Please, go to it, and peace be with you.

Dan Rodricks

So like I said; "This is fun!"

To continue the fun, I am going to compose another note as a reply to his reply. I'll tell you about that later.

Carter
 
Follow UP

Alright, for your enjoyment, here's the "RE" followup I sent back to the moron.
I don't really expect a response to this one, but if I do, I'll let you know.

Here's the thing, Dan, and please, I apologize if I sound like I was being a bit harsh with you:

I have been trying really hard to come up truly profound reasons to use in the fight against the proliferation of personal weapons in the US. The problem, you see, is that our side can't come up with anything better than slogans and statistics that fall apart when examined more closely. So if you are truly passionate about our cause, then I could use some help. Here's some examples of what I'm talking about:

We say that "guns kill people"; but they point out that guns are used more often in the defense of law abiding citizens. How do we answer that, when real FBI statistics prove it?
We say that children die from accidents with guns; but they say that the number of children who are harmed with guns is only a fraction compared to the number of lives saved as a result of the defensive use of guns. So our side just blusters and says: "Well, our children are important".
We say that the proliferation of guns in society leads to more violence; but they say that among law-abiding citizens who actually carry guns on a daily basis, the crimes committed by that (now large) group of "gun totin Rednecks" (my favorite label for them) is miniscule when compared to the population at large. That is a verifiable fact that came from combined statistics of law enforcement organizations.
Yet, all our side does is to repeat the same "guns lead to violence" and think we've won the argument just because we keep repeating it.

I can't tell you how many "links" gun nuts send me whenever I try to defend our position, and while many are as nutty as they come, some things make way too much sense for me to answer. For just one example, try reading through this article and come up with some really good rebuttals to it, because to be honest, I can't:
http://www.usconcealedcarry.com/public/113.cfm
Then compare that to some of the things our side says (sorry if I have to bring up your article again), and you can see why we are not only losing the argument, but we are losing the argument in the eyes of many "reasoned" citizens of the very type that WE are trying to pursuade.

So I want to apologize again for leaning on you a bit heavily in my original post, but hopefully, you can understand my frustration when I try really hard to advance our cause, but then run across the article you wrote that offered nothing more than a grade school retort, i.e., "blah, blah, blah" to quote yourself.

Well, I won't bother you anymore or you'll think I'm some kind of nut myself, so I'll simply leave you with the thought that I'm not so sure that we can win this argument. And worse than that, Democrats hang themselves with it any chance they get which makes it much more difficult to get Democrats elected for the purpose of serious social reforms such as Universal Health Care and creating a more compassionate Welfare system for the families who have depended upon our help for generation after generation and are still not being given enough to enjoy life as do others who have won "life's lottery" as President Clinton once said.

Good luck
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DARK STAR! I loved that! The beach ball alien and the surfboard ride at the end ...

Ooops! Off topic ... sorry ('wish I had a copy of it, though)
 
CDH, I posted a comment to him as well and I got the exact same response. I don`t even think he is reading anything. He just wants to write out his opinions and the heck with the real facts.

Here's his email to me;

Thank you for your supportive letter. I have been drenched in obviously
NRA-influenced letters from gun owners who still feel a need to rationalize
the liberal gun laws we have in the United States. You need to write
letters to the editor and to Congress and state legislators, and join me in
a public raising of this issue again and again until our nation rids itself
of the scourge of out-of-control firearms.
Please, go to it, and peace be with you.

Dan Rodricks

It sounds like he thinks I`m on his side.
 
National Guard? Do I need to point out that the second amendment was written long before the creation of the National Guard and to the framers of the Constitution the "militia" refers to the citizenry?
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Not to mention that every member of state national guards throughout the country swear an OATH OF ALLEGIANCE to the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. The very government against whom the 2A militia was created/designed to stand as a check against! So how could the 2A possibly have one iota to do with the National Guard?
 
I've had the (dis)pleasure of listening to this guy on the radio on several occasions, and to call him a pompus ass would be a compliment compared to his true character.
As anyone who's heard him on the radio (he's a regular guest on WBAL for the local folks) will tell you, the fingers-in-ears approach to debate is nothing new for this guy. Whatever the topic, he almost always tries to frame the argument with an initial "point" that is ridiculous on its face and involves the other side making a major concession (like his assertion that the NRA contributes to violence). Then, if someone refuses to accept his absurd "point," he ignores whatever they say and often talks over them, because they (in his view) are obviously incapable of logical thought.
 
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