Apology (See 'shotshells for handguns' discussion)

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Seronac

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I have to say that I really feel like a dunce. I know that silencers are illegal, but I asked that question about silencing a .22 anyway. My curiousity got the best of me.

I'm sorry to have ventured into less-than-legal, less-than-honorable subjects. My apologies to all.
 
Suppressors aren't illegal. They're subject to a $200 Federal transfer tax, just like machine guns...

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Chances are he knows how to use it.
 
Exactly, they are legal if acquired under appropriate means. No illegal tactics were discussed in the other thread. I think it is safe to say you didn't do anything all that bad. :-)
 
seronac - Absolutely no need to apologize. As I said when I closed that thread (for length reasons) the silencer topic was legal to that point. I just wanted to be sure it didn't go south on us.
 
A frind of mine makes legal supressors (and helps you fill out the paperwork so you're legal). He always brings a couple of supressed guns to hunting camp. He has one on a Ruger MkII. It's so fun to chase squirrels using it with 22 CBs! "Pop" squirrel looks at the spot where the bullet hit, instead of looking at you. "Pop" again...he then looks the other way...it's great!
 
Thanks, guys. I was feeling a little sheepish and just wanted to make sure that I wasn't over the line.

(Never mind that thing that says 'Senior Member' over to the left. It just means I have nothing better to do.) ;)

So, now my curiousity is piqued again:

I thought that laser sights and silencers were both illegal. So, they aren't? What are the requirements?

If it's OK, I'd like to investigate the possibility. Only problem is, I see no way to attach a silencer to my Browning BuckMark.

Thanks, again.
 
Laser Sights are not Federally illegal. Many cities like to play games though. Not only are silencers legal with the proper paperwork, but you can also have a full auto. The only drawback is that once you file for licensing, you are going to be under scrutany of the government.
 
Yeah! Good point, I don't want to attract attention! Especially from the wrong bunch of people! :eek:

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PreserveFreedom:
...you are going to be under scrutany of the government.[/quote]
 
seronac, I know how you feel. The media, the politicians and the schools convince us we should be asking what we're 'allowed' to have, and absent specific knowledge, we tend to think many things about firearms are illegal. A sad, but understandable perspective.

And, as you learn the obtuse legalities involved, then you begin to ask yourself about the sense of all of this. There isn't much 'sense' to find. It's mostly about citizen control.

Regards from AZ
 
Yep, I notice that more and more. I fear for the future of our country. I wish there was another, free place we could go and start a new country where the 2nd Amandment was more clear. Something that specifically states, without equivocation, that poeple have a right to defend themselves and that 'militia' means the citizens. How long until the revolution begins?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jeff Thomas:
... It's mostly about citizen control.

Regards from AZ[/quote]
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike Irwin: Suppressors aren't illegal. They're subject to a $200 Federal transfer tax, just like machine guns...[/quote]Am I to understand that silencers/suppressors are NOT illegal?!?!? Can anyone provide more data on this? I would think that this would be a good idea for a home defense gun since shooting a gun inside of a house would be very hard on the ears.
 
A further thought to bear in mind is that while the majority of people on this board are from the US a minority are not.

Here in New Zealand supressors are not regulated in any way.

So IMHO it would be reasonable to ask about suppressors. I have 2 Ruger 10/22's One with a intergrated supressor, one with a screw on.
(A cheap screw on costs about US$30 and works quite well)

I like to use them to make my range sessions more comfortable.

I am considering the purchase of a Marlin Camp Carbine in 45ACP with an Intergrated suppressor. This will cost about US$400-500 all up.
 
FUD, yes suppressors and fully automatic firearms are legal to own in most states. Provided they are properly registered. Other things that are legal to own with the proper paperwork include: short barrelled rifles (rifle with a barrel length under 16" and/or an overall length under 26"), short barrelled shotguns (shotgun with a barrel length under 18" or an overall length under 28"), destructive devices (handgrenades, land mines, bazooka, motars, etc), smooth bore pistols, and AOW (Any Other Weapons) category firearms like cane guns, pen guns, belt buckle guns, wallet guns, knife guns, briefcase guns, and pretty much any other item that is a firearm BUT appears to be something else.

You and seronac are both fortunate enough to live in states (Fl and Ut) where the owership of Class III and Class VI firearms should be quite legal. Some items require a $200 federal tax stamp as Mike Irwin stated, others are only $5, but the paperwork is the same including: area CLEO signature, fingerprints, and photos.
 
My buddy has a registered 1928 Thompson Machine gun, paid the $200 tax, and all that. He has never been scruitinized, watched, or bothered in any way. He's had if for about ten years now. We shoot the darn thing all the time. It's lotsa fun. Matter of fact, we shoot it next to public roads, while people watch, and take it to farmers that let us hunt on their land. They love it!

Somehow, the American public has been duped by the media that Machine Guns are this evil creature that the mention of brings the Gestapo to your front doorstep. Nonsense. Class III weapons are not illegal on a Federal level, but MAY be on a State level. Check your local laws.

Silencers.... Lots of fun, also OK if you pay the $200 transfer tax. They are almost as fascinating as full auto. Come to think of it, I'd rather have a silenced something or other than a machine gun. Burns up the ammo too fast.

Slim, out.
 
I am wondering if a silencer would help with ear problems for a shot fired indoors. The problem there is the rapid accumulation of overpressure in the enclosed space--a silencer may not affect this. Also if it increases the wavelength of the shockwave to below audio frequency the concussion still reverberates through the head and ears--it is just "felt" instead of heard. I am not sure of the science behind a silencer--could someone enlighten me? Isn't the requirement a sub-sonic projectile.

Thanks,
Lonnie
 
Silencers are not illegal, just subject to the $200 transfer fee, but it does put you on the map as far as the Feds go. I am certainly no expert, in this area, but my understanding is that they are expensive to purchase, maintain, and wearout wihtin x number of rounds. The aggrevation and cost just does not seem worth it to me.
 
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