Apartment Complex Owners Ban "Firearms and Weapons"

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LewSchiller

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Wow! When I was 13 my best friend moved to Castle Rock, and I spent most of the summer there in 1980. Back then everyone there was either a cowboy or a cowboy wannabe and we shot .22s in the foothills behind his house. Rodeo was huge, my friend's family raced mules.

It looks like things have really changed in Castle Rock! And Colorado in general what with the new magazine limits. I never thought I'd see the day when Illinois has more liberal gun laws than Colorado. Liberal as in lax, not the political spectrum.
 
Since the ban is on Firearms and Weapons, I wonder if they'll apply this ban to all weapons.

Kitchen Knives
Baseball Bats
Golf Clubs
Spray cans with inflammable contents
Pool Cues
Socks with weights in them
 
Oh I bet his lease allows for changes in policy.
We can be sure Oakwood has platoons of lawyers on staff.

I wonder if this will become a trend.

{Tinfoil Hat /on} Insurance companies killed the muscle car just as much as high gas prices. Insurance companies could make firearm ownership such an expensive liability that the average person wouldn't be willing to pay the cost. Or - those with a desire to truncate ownership could use "Insurance Costs" as an excuse to do so. {Tinfoil Hat /off}
 
Since baseball bats are often used as weapons, is this a ban on 'Little League' too? :rolleyes:

Seriously, this is ridiculous. Besides, shouldn't he (pardon the pun) be 'grandfathered' into the building?
 
LewSchiller said:
Since the ban is on Firearms and Weapons, I wonder if they'll apply this ban to all weapons.

Kitchen Knives
Baseball Bats
Golf Clubs
Spray cans with inflammable contents
Pool Cues
Socks with weights in them
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None of those kill as many people per year as hands and feet. Didn't the FBI stats suggest hands and feet kill more per year than all long guns combined?

Sounds pretty weapon-y to me
 
I hate to say it but since an apartment complex falls under private ownership, the owners can enforce whatever rules they deem necessary, including the banning of firearms on the premises.
 
gaseousclay said:
I hate to say it but since an apartment complex falls under private ownership, the owners can enforce whatever rules they deem necessary, including the banning of firearms on the premises.
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Not exactly, but close.

9NEWS legal analyst Scott Robinson said.

Robinson says, in most cases, courts have supported the rights of landlords to impose "reasonable regulations" on tenants.

"The question is: is an outright ban of firearms reasonable in light of the US Constitution?" Robinson said.
 
hmmm

Not certain if a public entity can mandate restrictions on tenants.. Thinking 4th amendment rights. Tenants do have individual rights that a landlord cannot infringe upon.

What if the opposite were mandated...all tenants must be armed.
 
What kind of Legal trouble can a tenant get into if they violate the "rules" and Keep a firearm for Personal Protection then are forced to use it on Apt. property?
 
The Constitution does not regulate the relationship between landlord and tenant. It sets forth a framework within which the government is supposed to operate. Other restrictions on what kinds of conditions a landlord may place upon tenants may be set by statute (state or federal), but assuming the apartment complex is owned and operated by a purely private entity, the Constitution is not implicated, either by the 2A or the 4A.

ETA: A quick search on Ross Managment Company (that runs the complex) shows this from their website:
We have a solid reputation with Finance Authorities, tax credit investors and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. We have received several awards including the Community of Quality Award for Exemplary Family Development from the National Affordable Housing Management Association. . . . .
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Source: http://www.ross-management.com/about/

The above-quoted language leads me to believe that Ross Management may be involved with or accept Section 8 housing vouchers. I haven't done, and don't have time to do, the legal research necessary to figure this out, but it occurs to me that there may be some "thread" by which the Constitutional issues could be pulled into this.

Clearly, the assumption that I made above re: purely private entities was not a safe one.
 
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Oh I bet his lease allows for changes in policy.
We can be sure Oakwood has platoons of lawyers on staff.

I wonder if this will become a trend.

{Tinfoil Hat /on} Insurance companies killed the muscle car just as much as high gas prices. Insurance companies could make firearm ownership such an expensive liability that the average person wouldn't be willing to pay the cost. Or - those with a desire to truncate ownership could use "Insurance Costs" as an excuse to do so. {Tinfoil Hat /off}
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Not so tinfoil, when I was shopping around for new home insurance the rates were roughly double at the two companies where I brought up firearms, asked questions about how much they cover etc even though in the end I ended up with quotes for identical insurance.
I should really take it to the next level and have my wife try to get quotes from the SAME companies and not bring up guns, then see what happens.
 
Spats McGee said:
...ETA: A quick search on Ross Managment Company (that runs the complex) shows this from their website:
We have a solid reputation with Finance Authorities, tax credit investors and the Department of Housing and Urban Development. We have received several awards including the Community of Quality Award for Exemplary Family Development from the National Affordable Housing Management Association. . . . .
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Source: http://www.ross-management.com/about/

The above-quoted language leads me to believe that Ross Management may be involved with or accept Section 8 housing vouchers. I haven't done, and don't have time to do, the legal research necessary to figure this out, but it occurs to me that there may be some "thread" by which the Constitutional issues could be pulled into this....
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If this is Section 8 or some other type of public or government subsidized house, the ban could be government imposed -- which would bode good things.

We had gun bans in public housing here, and shortly after Heller a lawsuit quickly forced them to back down.
 
I also checked out their website Spats, and was just coming to pick your brain-
First, for a stretch, but some interesting brain-aerobics, I was going to bring up Heart of Atlanta Motel, Inc. v. United States 379 U.S. 241

Looking at the Oakwood Rental Guidelines They appear to also operate as a short-term rental facility in some sort of quasi-hotel/motel relationship.

I don't have the handy dandy search tools you professionals have, but doing a bit of poking around myself, I see Seattle also has "political ideology" as a protected class. I do not find reference to these in a cursory search of Colorado or Federal law, but I imagine the same laws and regulations that prohibit discrimination based on political party or other activism would be some level of adaptable to this. If anyone is looking for some more brain-aerobics of their own.
 
Bailey Boat said:
All the resident has to do is call NRA and it will go away.....
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Really? You don't think they are spread super thin already with the Antics of the Obama Machine and they actually have time and Money for this? Really?
 
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