Anyone tried Bill Wilson's 5X5 Skill Test? Post your time here

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I watched several videos about this test, it seemed so easy and everyone is either a master or a grandmaster. Well, it is not that easy. I shot in 21 second plus 2 second penalties. I shot an expert with a Glock 21. I will try to shoot it again with G17 to see if I can be a bit faster. Please post your results here.

Info on the test is at http://wilsoncombat.com/new/5x5-drill.asp

Target: One standard IDPA, 10 yards downrange

Scoring: IDPA Limited Vickers, 25 shots total

1. Count 25 shots on target (24 in the body and 1 in the head).

2. Add .50 seconds for each hit in the “-1” area.

3. Add 1.5 seconds for each hit in the “-3” area.

4. Add 2.5 seconds for each hit off target (and SLAP yourself).

Start Position: Hands at your sides facing target. No concealment garment necessary.

Procedure:

String 1: Draw and fire 5 shots freestyle (two hands)

String 2: Draw and fire 5 shots strong hand only

String 3: Draw and fire 5 shots freestyle (two hands), reload from slidelock and fire 5 more shots freestyle

String 4: Draw and fire 4 shots to the body and 1 shot to the head freestyle

Skill ranking (Bill Wilson’s Opinion)

Grand Master: 15 seconds or less
Master: 20 seconds or less
Expert: 25 seconds or less
Sharpshooter: 32 seconds or less
Marksman: 41 seconds or less
Novice: 50 seconds or less
Not proficient enough to carry a handgun: Over 50 seconds
 
Wish I had seen this before I went to the range yesterday. I'd have given it a try. At 7 yds I might could hit Expert. At 10 yards I'd be happy if I got anything above Novice. :rolleyes: For some reason my accuracy really heads downhill past 7 yds. :o
 
Slimjim9, just run the test several times and adjust between speed and accuracy. Even grand masters have to do the same.
 
Wish there was a place around here that allowed doing this drill.
Fast shooting and drawing from the holster are generally frowned on.
Without going to an actual match, about the only way to practice this stuff is with my trusty airguns.
Guess I'll have to give it a try that way.
Kind of cheating, though, even with a blowback pistol that recoils about the same as a .22.
Oh well.
 
Good point. I wouldn't have been able to draw from the holster. I can't shoot follow up shots anywhere near that fast anyway. I'm still gonna try to simulate it next time I get to the range
 
These are pretty standard IDPA drills (and IDPA scoring) on IDPA targets. I've been an active IDPA competitor for a while, and I've done them often enough (with a revolver) to know what I can typically do on each - so my raw time would normally be in the 14 - 16 second range. My Points Down (PDs) are typically in the 5 - 10% (of my raw time) range, so I'm pretty confident I'd fall in the 15.4 - 17.6 range. With a speedloader-fed revolver.

With a semi-auto, my reload is about a second to a second and a half quicker, and each draw-to-1st shot would be about 0.2 quicker (0.8 total), so I'm fairly sure I'd be looking at 16 or better with a semi-auto.
 
Well, that was an eye opener and not in a good way. :eek:

I had to run a highly modified test. I did it from 7yds instead of ten, started each string from the low ready not drawing, and my timer was the stopwatch on my iPhone sitting on the shelf. I had to start the timer with my left finger, shoot the string, then stop the timer. I'm sure this added some "unfair" time to the test. Also I didn't have an IDPA target.

I ran the test twice. First of all with my EDC LCR357 meaning the reload was from a speed strip. Time was, dare I write this down, 51.91, probably 10 or more was the reload. The accuracy penalties I'm not sure how to measure because of the target difference, but however you look at, it's not good. One off target and the head shot barely grazed the neck.
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I reran the test with my Glock 19 and did better. Time was 34.25 with marginally better accuracy though still much room for improvement.

I guess I know what I'm going to be doing with my range sessions from now on. :eek:

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Yeah, it is not as easy as it seemed. I have great respect for all the shooters shot in low teens. These people have skills.
 
IMO, 34 sec with a G19 is very respectable for someone who hasn't tried this type of shooting before. Kudos.

If nothing else, these drills are good to simply show that basic CCW skills such as drawing, shooting and reloading efficiently are deceptively difficult and take a lot of practice.
 
Well, gave it a try today. Shot all four strings consecutively, no do overs. All draws were from concealment, ( that is how i always draw even in a match), with my Glock 19. Total time was a 15.99, add 1.5 seconds for the three shots outside the "A" zone, and you get a total of 17.49. Funny, I don't feel like a master.:eek:
 
couldbeanyone, that is some great shooting from concealment.

I just shot the drill with my G17 last night. I had a raw time of 14.58 second and 4.5 seconds penalty make a total of 19.08.

As a side note, my stock G21 and G17 have a factory 5.5 trigger, my splits range from 0.25 to 0.32 on G17. I know I can shoot the Bill Drill with .15 splits using my custom 1911 with 2.5 lb trigger.

I did not shoot it from concealment as Bill indicated it is not necessary. I certainly admire and envy of those great shooters can make Master or Grandmaster time shooting from concealment. I am humbled.
 
BCGlocker, I'm not a serious competitor. I shoot only local matches. If it's over about 75 miles from home, I'm not going. Every draw I have made for years has been concealment. If I shoot a steel challenge match, I draw from concealment. They are always happy to let me. So, drawing without a cover garment would feel strange to me. So just a matter of practice. So really not that impressive, just lots and lots of repetitions.
 
i have the course of fire printed out in my 'range book' for my next trip. i'll give it a try.

as for drawing from concealment, excellent idea. practice/compete the way you carry if you can. when an IDPA stage says concealment is optional, i keep my vest/jacket on. if i want a further challenge, i try for head shots over body shots, smaller target, more of a challenge. i miss sometimes, but not always.
 
This sounds like a fun thing to try. I would expect that my very first try will land somewhere in the middle... but I have no idea. I also expect (or demand of myself! :p) that my score would improve if I keep running the drill.

It will require some shopping for setup, but I hope to give this a twirl and report back. The biggest issue I have here is that I don't have the targets or backer cardboard where I typically shoot outdoors... and it's an EASY setup at my favorite indoor range where we are not allowed to draw from concealment and fire. Arrrgh.

So if I don't report back until spring time, that's likely why.

But sounds like fun. I am guessing my biggest enemy will be ME, attempting to shoot "fast" when I should be shooting "WELL."
 
BCGlocker, I'm not a serious competitor. I shoot only local matches. If it's over about 75 miles from home, I'm not going. Every draw I have made for years has been concealment. If I shoot a steel challenge match, I draw from concealment. They are always happy to let me. So, drawing without a cover garment would feel strange to me. So just a matter of practice. So really not that impressive, just lots and lots of repetitions.
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I train both strong side and conceal draw regularly. The extra motion of getting the garment out of way is about 0.2 to 0.3 seconds for me. This mean it will add at lease 4-6 seconds to the total score. Therefore, you 17.49 score with concealment is considerable accomplishment. Good job.
 
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