Anyone know about the M1911 MEU pistol?

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I recently read an article on the U.S. Marine's M1911 MEU (SOC) pistol, which is a modified M1911A1 rebuilt at Quantico. I read that the following modifications involved:
-Commercial competition-grade ambidextrous safety.
-Precision barrel and trigger assembly.
-Extra wide, rubber coated safety grips.
-Rounded hammer spur.
-High-profile combat sights.
-Stainless-steel seven round competition-grade magazines with rounded plastic follower and extended floor plate.

While I recognize the new magazine as possibly being a Wilson Combat magazine (the photo of the mags w/h the gun look like Wilson), I have no idea of the manufacturer of the other parts/components. Anyone know who makes the other parts?
 
Specifications of the MEU (SOC) Pistol

Primary function: Modified .45 caliber pistol
Builder: Specially trained armorers at the Rifle Team Equipment (RTE) Shop, MCB Quantico, Virginia
Length: 8.625 inches (21.91 centimeters)
Length of barrel: 5.03 inches (12.78 centimeters)
Weight:

Magazine empty: 2.5 pounds (1.14 kilograms)
Magazine loaded: 3.0 pounds (1.36 kilograms)

Bore diameter: .45 caliber
Maximum effective range: 164 feet (50 meters) for specially-trained user
Muzzle velocity: 830 feet/252 meters/second
Magazine capacity: 7 rounds
Unit Replacement Cost: $600

Features: This weapon is a modified M1911A1 .45 caliber pistol sometimes referred to as "near match" or "combat accuratized."
The MEU(SOC) Pistol is the designated "backup weapon" of Marines armed with the 9mm MP5-N Close Quarters Battle
weapon. The M1911A1 was chosen for this role (and its modifications generated) because of its inherent reliability and lethality,
and because the MEU(SOC) modifications make the M1911A1 design more "user friendly."

The unique characteristics of the MEU(SOC) pistol are: commercial/competition grade ambidextrous safety, precision barrel,
precise trigger, and rubber coated grips, rounded hammer spur, high profile combat sights, and an extra-wide grip safety for
increased comfort and controllability (which aids in a quick follow-up second shot). The issue magazines are replaced with
stainless steel competition-grade magazines with rounded plastic follower and extended floor plate.

Inventory: 500

Background: The weapon modifications were designed in 1986 to meet the requirements of the MEU(SOC). Each pistol is
hand-built by specially trained armorers at the Rifle Team Equipment (RTE) shop, Quantico, Virginia.

The USMC has almost a reverence for the old M1911 Colt .45-caliber semiautomatic pistol. Its stopping power is legendary: It
was designed to take down charging machete-wielding Filipino insurgents. The original M1911 was replced by the M1911A1 in
1925, and nearly all existing weapons in Federal armories were upgraded to the new configuration. After that, the Colt became
such a fixture that when the Department of Defense decided to issue the M9/92F in 1985, many Colt .45 users considered it just
short of treason. Despite the .45's reputation for kicking like a mule and having the accuracy of a blunderbuss, it was loved by
generations of American fighting men, particularly Marines. Thus, in 1986 there was general delight when the USMC decided to
bring back a special version of the Colt, the MEU (SOC) Pistol. The MEU (SOC) is a rebuilt and modified M1911A1 Colt .45,
issued as a backup weapon to reconnaissance units equipped with the MP-5N. It was selected over pistols for it's inherent
reliability and the greater lethality of the .45-caliber projectile, which weighs about twice as much as a 9mm bullet. Despite the
limited inventory of five hundred units maintained by the Corps, the almost spiritual attachment of Marines to the M1911A1
guarantees support for this weapon.

The MEU (SOC) pistols are manufactured from existing Colt M1911A1 .45-caliber pistols (there are thousands in storage). They
are rebuilt at Quantico by the armorers of Colonel Nance's Weapons Training Battalion. After each M1911A1 frame is stripped
and checked for structural soundness, the following modifications are made:

A commercial competition-grade ambidextrous safety.
A precision barrel and trigger assembly.
Extra wide, rubber-coated safety grips.
Rounded hammer spur.
High-profile combat sights.
Stainless-steel seven-round competition-grade magazines with a rounded plastic follower and an extended floor plate.

These improvements make the MEU (SOC) pistol more "user friendly." They also make the MEU (SOC) pistol one of the most
comfortable and accurate hand guns I have ever fired.

I was given the chance to fire one of the MEU (SOC) pistols at the same distance and target as the Beretta. I've fired my share of
.45-caliber pistols before, and the M1911A1 has always been a beast. Even with my size and weight, the M1911A1 always left
me bruised and battered, with little damage to the targets. The MEU (SOC) pistol is different. Using the same grip and sighting
technique as I used on the Beretta, I got a string of hits on my first magazine. A single-action trigger makes it smoother to fire than
the Beretta, and the reduced recoil is easy on even small-handed shooters.

Excerpted from Small Arms.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> I've fired my share of
.45-caliber pistols before, and the M1911A1 has always been a beast. Even with my size and weight, the M1911A1 always left
me bruised and battered, with little damage to the targets.
Excerpted from Small Arms.
[/quote]

Great specs, terrific background, and well done overview of the MEU(SOC) Pistol from the author in "Small Arms", but is this guy English or just being overly dramatic to make a point about the "extra wide rubber-coated safety grips?"

I'm clueless.

-William
 
Actually, I think that excerpt was origanally printed in Marine: A Guided Tour of a Marine Expeditionary Unit by Tom Clancy.

I borrowed it from a friend, so I can't confirm it. The quote sure sounded familiar.

I also believe he states that the barrel is from Bar Sto and the grips are made by Hogue.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I've fired my share of .45-caliber pistols before, and the M1911A1 has always been a beast. Even with my size and weight, the M1911A1 always left me bruised and battered, with little damage to the targets.[/quote]Now, I'm not posting this to see how many flame responses I can get, but I've got a problem with this statement. A "beast"? "Bruised and battered"? 'Sounds like one of those typewriter warriors to me. That is exactly the kind of hype surrounding the Gov't model that was espoused for years until the mid/late 80s when the patents expired and the 1911 type went into mass production for civilian resale. Not to mention, there is only the added grip to possibly mitigate any "bruising" and "battering" of the "beast". I assume the precision barrel and trigger "assembly" didn't affect the "beastly" recoil. Yeah, that's a safe bet. Just what is there about this configuration that has calmed the "beastly" 1911 for this poor "battered" and "bruised" guy?

BTW, 'sounds like a neat pistol, but nothing more than some good quality after market drop-in parts.



[This message has been edited by sensop (edited May 16, 2000).]
 
Sensop

Maybe it was all mental, but the Houge Grip felt like it made my Charles Daly 1911A1 recoil less (reduce recoil) when I replaced the cheap plastic grips with it. Like I said it was most probably mental, but it made a difference to me.

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I know. Actually, I use the Hogue soft rubber wrap-around on my 1991 Cmdr, in spite of all the critisism of it sticky surface. I was just struck by the supposed taming of the 1911 in the description of the SOC piece.

As for grips, I'd like to try the Pachymar Signature wrap-around. It's a harder plastic that hinges in three panels and the front strap section is checkered. That may be a way to avoid the cost of real checkering on the front strap..
 
I handled a 1911 that had the Pearce Modular Grips...
I LOVE the Hogues - but the rubber makes undercover hard as shirt fabric wond ride past it and will hang up on it. Printing is bad.
The Modular Grips let you us smoother wood panels and lets you have the nice finger grooves.
When I FINALLY get them installed on my piece - I will photo it and write a detailed review of it... In comparison with the old Hogue grips.

This is funny - the DOD spends all that money switching to the M9 and creates a whole big mess with it and now "SPECIAL" units are going BACK to the 1911.
That says something.
 
I'm 99% sure that Clancy was the writer for that article. He's pretty much a non-shooter although he is a supporter of the 2nd.

IIRC, Delta kept the 1911 as well as most anyone who actually thought they would have to use a handgun.

9mm in the civilian world is fine, but it is ammo dependent. If you have to have FMJ, the bigger the better.

Giz
 
Clancy did author that quite but he's far from a non-shooter. How many of us have our own private range? He's got one in his basement. And he's very pro-RKBA, and a strict Constitutionalist.

As an aside, his (ex) wife bought him an M4 Sherman tank for Christmas one year. There's a nice lady!
 
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