Anyone ever hear of a .257 Roberts?

Adamantium

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My friend was talking about it the tonight. It really sounds interesting. He said it was a 7mm case necked down to a .25 cal bullet.

Can anyone else tell me more about this bullet?

Sincerely,
Adam

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To be honest, I was very tempted to start my response with something like, "Are you serious?". But, thankfully, not everyone is an OF like about 50% of us here. :)

The .257 Roberts was originally designed by Ned Roberts in the '20s. It has lost a lot of popularity, but there are still those who swear by it. It has been called "the most useful rifle cartridge ever". It's usefulness goes from long range varmint all the way to elk and black bear. It shoots very flat and has a reputation for accuracy. Yes, it is based on the 7mm Mauser. It is still loaded by all major cartridge manufacturers and you can still get a new Ruger 77 factory chambered for it. There are thousands of used Rem 700's and Win 70's available, although everyone I know that has one wants to keep it.
 
The .257 Roberts is one of my favorite rifle calibers. It was largely eclipsed by the .243 Winchester and 6mm Remington back in the 1960s, but it is still a very good cartridge. While it was originally designed as a woodchuck cartridge, it really comes into it's own as a moderately recoiling deer round. In a modern rifle with the proper loads, it is no chore to break 3,000 fps with 100 grain bullets, and push that with 115 grain bullets. Nosler's partition bullets work wonders in this cartridge.

Are there any warts on this fine old cartridge? Yes, a few. Some people maintain that the .257 Roberts is not an inherently accurate cartridge. I may have to concede this one, as it is easier to get a 25-06 or .250 Savage to shoot well than a Roberts. Not saying that it won't shoot, but it is not a match cartridge. The other wart on the .257 Roberts is available factory ammunition. Most of it is pretty weak, out of deference to the older Mausers that some sporters were built on. This has been improved in recent years with the introduction of "Light Magnum"-type ammo from several manufacturers. The bottom line is, however, that the .257 Roberts is a handloader's cartridge. Give one a try; you'll like it....

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Adamanien?

Maby this will put some light on your subject
.257 ROBERTS

Introduced: 1928 Niedner Rifle Co.
1934 (Commercial
Other Names: .257 Remington Roberts
Type: Rimless, Necked, CF
Necked Down 7X57 Mauser
Length: 2.750"
Powder: Nitrocellulose
Primer: Boxer (Lg Rifle)

BULLET:

Type: 1) Expanding-3180 f.s.
2) Hollow Pt-3220 f.s.
3) Expanding-2860 f.s.
4) Hollow Pt-2900 f.s.
5) Hollow Pt-2630 f.s.
Dia: . 2575"
Wgt: 1) 87gr
2) 87gr
3) 100gr
4) 100gr
5) 117gr

CARTRIDGE CASE:

Length: 2.233"
Head to Shoulder: 1.727"
of Shoulder: .19"
Neck : .32"
Base to Neck: 1.911"
Dia Rim: .473"
Base: .472"
Neck: .290"
Shoulder: .429"
Mouth: .290"
Angle of Shoulder: 20@-45'
Pressure: 45,000lb/sq.in.

Bore Dia:
Min: .250"
Max: .2575"


Reload Data:
Billet: Pwdr: grs: MV: ME:
87 4320 42 3310 2112
87 H-380 43 3230 2010
100 4831 47 3032 2040
100 3031 35 2947 1826
117 4530 44 2900 2182 Max
117 4831 45 2870 2140
120 4831 44 2800 2091
125 4350 44 2850 2258 Max
87 FL 3200 1980
100 2900 1870
117 2650 1820
120 2645 1865
The commercial version of this cartridge was made by Remington for their Model 30 bolt-action rifle. It was quickly picked up by Winchester for their Model 54 and later Model 70. The Remington 722 bolt-action and the 760 slide-action models were also available in 257 caliber. Most European-made sporting bolt-action rifles were at one time available for this cartridge. In recent years American manufacturers have discontinued it, although one run of the
Ruger Model 77 bolt-action included some chambered for the 257. The 257 Roberts is based on the 7X57mm Mauser necked-down. Remington changed the original shoulder angle
from 15 to 20 degrees.
 
Col. Ned Roberts (National Guard) was a well known sports writer in his time. He authored: Big Game Hunting; The Breech-Loading Single-Shot Match Rifle and his masterpiece, The Muzzleloading Cap Lock Rifle. He also wrote for Outdoor LIfe, Hunting & Fishing, and the American Rifleman.

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Of the 12 whitetailed deer I've taken (TX), all but 4 were with a Ruger M-77 (old style) .257 Roberts. Topped with an old Weaver 3-9 variable, it shoots consistantly at just under one MOA, as it has for the last 20+ years. Our secret has been to load it only midlin' hot, but stay with an accurate load.
2900 fps may sound like nothing with a 100 grain load, but it sure keeps that throat looking good after all these years.

It also let me drop a 175 lb. buck handily at 300 yds (after a lengthy stalk.). My father called it a stunt, and the very next year, my partner dropped a 160 lb doe from 315 yards with a reduced load of a 100 grainer (Ballistic Tip) at about 2750 fps. As a side note, my friend originally created the reduced load for his 12 year-old daughter to begin hunting with, and found that it reached out just fine.

My dad and I have found, over the years, that it's a toss-up between 4350 and 4064 with 100 grain bullets, but that RL 19 is superior with 120 grainers, which we just adopted. (I like the Sierra Game Kings) However, we've found that the groups seem to get tighter and tighter as we upped the charges; we just aren't willing to burn out the throats of our rifles for an extra .1".

For varmints, the 87 grainer is as good as they come. For deer, the 100 grainer is great, but the 120 (or 117) grainers give a bit more penetration, and perhaps some more reassurance should something more substantial (elk, hog, bear) present itself as a possible target. The +P loadings have improved the cartridge by leaps and bounds for those who don't reload, but it gets even better if you do. Recoil in a standard barrel rifle is about what you'd get out of a 20 gauge automatic shotgun. Read: pleasant.

If you can't tell, I'm still in love with mine. So, by the way, is my wife, who took her first deer with it last season.
 
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