Has any manufacturer indicated a willingness to proceed with microstamping? I'm a recent CA gun owner and I suppose if I had it to do over again I'd wait the whole thing out; I'm happy with my purchases of an M&P 22 and M&P 40, but the double whammy of CA roster/microstamping didn't make for the most rationale market.
Any Manufacturers Committed to Microstamping?
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I just used my best google'FU and can't find anthing that says somebody is complying. Ruger and S&W have quit Cali altogether, and I suspect we'll hear of more companies declining to participate soon.
I know that Glock did not microstamp the 42, and that they've been active in at least one lawsuit challenging the "approved list" law... and declining the 42 is going to be a huge sales loss to Glock since CA is looks like it's going to start hemmoraging CCW permits very soon. Good for Glock... I wish they'd follow the lead of the Ronnie Barrett and tell CA law enforcement they can suck wind too.
I would also suspect that the first company to "give in" would feel the wrath of the entire rest of the industry almost immediately.
I know that Glock did not microstamp the 42, and that they've been active in at least one lawsuit challenging the "approved list" law... and declining the 42 is going to be a huge sales loss to Glock since CA is looks like it's going to start hemmoraging CCW permits very soon. Good for Glock... I wish they'd follow the lead of the Ronnie Barrett and tell CA law enforcement they can suck wind too.
I would also suspect that the first company to "give in" would feel the wrath of the entire rest of the industry almost immediately.
For the sake of the rest of us in the other 49 states, I hope they do not give in and that the law gets overturned in the court system.
I do not care one bit if my primers get marked and identified as being fired by me. They are either fired at paper, or I will have a darn good reason why they were fired at another human being. I say this due to the cost of implementing the technology.
In most articles I have seen on the matter (I have no idea if their estimate is accurate) it is said the cost to adopt the feature would add about $150 to the cost of each gun. While this is not a small number (about 25% increase on an average Glock), it is not insignificant. And what worries me even more is the slippery slope it can lead us down. Let's say one of the other restrictive states says that handguns need to have some other more expensive feature added to them, now the manufacturers are taking on even more costs. It is said that the increased cost will only be seen in guns for that state, but sooner or later they will need to spread that cost across all their guns if enough states enact ridiculous laws like this.
I do not care one bit if my primers get marked and identified as being fired by me. They are either fired at paper, or I will have a darn good reason why they were fired at another human being. I say this due to the cost of implementing the technology.
In most articles I have seen on the matter (I have no idea if their estimate is accurate) it is said the cost to adopt the feature would add about $150 to the cost of each gun. While this is not a small number (about 25% increase on an average Glock), it is not insignificant. And what worries me even more is the slippery slope it can lead us down. Let's say one of the other restrictive states says that handguns need to have some other more expensive feature added to them, now the manufacturers are taking on even more costs. It is said that the increased cost will only be seen in guns for that state, but sooner or later they will need to spread that cost across all their guns if enough states enact ridiculous laws like this.
Jay
I do care about my brass falling to the ground. What if I leave one on the floor and someone else picks it up?
In an indoor range, I can't pick up much if any and someone comes along later to sweep it all up.
After its sold, anyone could be easily framed. I don't know if they are clever and realize this is a threat to us to the point of giving up shooting or something that fell through the cracks. I haven't seen anyone discussing this aspect of microstamping and if I am wrong, someone correct me. This is a BIG deal to me.
I do care about my brass falling to the ground. What if I leave one on the floor and someone else picks it up?
In an indoor range, I can't pick up much if any and someone comes along later to sweep it all up.
After its sold, anyone could be easily framed. I don't know if they are clever and realize this is a threat to us to the point of giving up shooting or something that fell through the cracks. I haven't seen anyone discussing this aspect of microstamping and if I am wrong, someone correct me. This is a BIG deal to me.
I doubt anyone on this site is worried about micro stamping due to our nefarious intent
The issue is one of cost and the negative impact on the consumer market. The whole thing is rather moot anyway. With todays forensic state of the art, that piece of brass can be positively tied to that gun with little margin for error.
The comment about leaving range brass behind to be planted at a crime scene seems a little much. Its not happening now. I dont see micro stamping making it popular with criminals
Again the cost to manufactures is the issue and the subsequent passing on of those costs or companies simply going out of business due to inability to compete.
The days of affordable guns will be OVER thats for sure
The issue is one of cost and the negative impact on the consumer market. The whole thing is rather moot anyway. With todays forensic state of the art, that piece of brass can be positively tied to that gun with little margin for error.
The comment about leaving range brass behind to be planted at a crime scene seems a little much. Its not happening now. I dont see micro stamping making it popular with criminals
Again the cost to manufactures is the issue and the subsequent passing on of those costs or companies simply going out of business due to inability to compete.
The days of affordable guns will be OVER thats for sure
The whole process is laughable. How long does it take to change the firing pin (striker) in a glock? 10 seconds?
How about a 1911?? Even faster!!
How about all the MILLIONS of un marked firing pins already in existence?? Do we create a NFA type registry for firing pins?
"Register all your firing pins before 2015, or you are in possession of.... blah, blah, blah"
Ok, rant over
How about a 1911?? Even faster!!
How about all the MILLIONS of un marked firing pins already in existence?? Do we create a NFA type registry for firing pins?
"Register all your firing pins before 2015, or you are in possession of.... blah, blah, blah"
Ok, rant over
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maestro pistolero
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One sweep of a file across a firing pin and 'poof' goes the identifying markers. Only the stupidest criminal would fail to either do this, or use YOUR stolen gun for the crime.