Any issues with the USPc series?

buzz_knox

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I'm thinking of picking up a USPc in .45 and/or .357Sig/.40. Are there any issues that I should be aware of? I'm familiar with HKs rep concerning customer service (or lack thereof) and the chunkiness (which doesn't bother me as I carry a Glock 30 and the HK fits my hand better).

And, as an afterthought, which is better: regular finish or stainless?
 
A few thoughts...

No "issues" that I know of, but a couple of things to consider:

1. According to my local gun guru, the regular finish *is* stainless, just blackened.
2. The stainless series has been discontinued and is a bit pricey.
3. The recoil reduction system in the compact's is significantly different than in the full size. The full size uses a two-spring recoil spring setup while the compact just uses a tough plastic bushing which sometimes rattles a bit.
4. The .45c is a bit bigger than the 40/9mm which use the same size frame AIC.
5. USP checkering can be a bit harsh unless you take a little sandpaper to it and nock off the edges.

Otherwise, they are dandy weapons and for a mid-sized compact are really nice. Excellent durability, reliability and ergonomics with a manual of arms like the full-sized.

I havent posted this in a while, but I shot a USP45f next to a USP45c and wrote up a review, so maybe it will help with my shooting impressions.

JT

as usual, FWIW, YMMV, IMHO, and all that...

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3/6/2000
*****HK USP45 compact*****
What a great concept! Make a compact .45 with more capacity than a 1911, able to carry cocked and locked, decocker lever, and rounded off controls! but with small size comes compromises and I didnt particularily care for the ones made here.

I have one heck of a blood blister from slamming part of my palm home with a new clip. While the grip does allow for a tight three finger hold (as opposed to 2 finger), the third finger is on the magazine lip. and the meat of your palm (below your pinky finger) hangs below the magazine well. If you are not careful, PINCH!

Recoil was noticeably sharper. More that tne full size .40, .45, or sig. I got both a heavy push, and a twisting snap on each round. Again, not "punishing" to an average size man, but it was a little distracting and I doubt I would feel comfortable handing this pistol off to my 5'5", 120lb wife.

Controls were USP tight, but that issue with the safety was even more a concern. Althoguh I never accidentally engaged it (having learned on the .40cal) I did have to positin my thumb lower than I am accostomed to. Perhaps that contributed to my medicore shoting with the gun. Not as bad as the full sized .40cal but no where near the USP45, much less the Sig 220.

A cute gun, and a very well made .45 compact. I would much rather fire this one than a lot of those "compact" .45's that look like .25 cals, thats for sure. It also performed flawlessly like all these guns but it was only marginally fun to shoot and after my hand started throbbing from the blood blister I was glad the day was about over.

*****HK USP45 compact *****
PRO: shares good controls with the USP. You can actually get 8 rounds in a compact .45cal! Three finger grip, pretty easy to shoot with both eyes open. Snag free versions of the full sized controls and a bobbed for concealed carry.
CON: It bit me! Recoil is a bit sharp, accuracy is middle of the road, I dont carry concealed so the tapered controls arent a plus for me, the hammer is bobbed and so you cant cock it without pulling back on the slide.

(ed. note: The hammer CAN be cocked after you chamber a round since it goes to a half-cock position, just not when dry firing.)

FINAL CONCLUSIONS

Well... after all was said and done I was convinced. I was about to go back to the .45cal after 6 years of being a "Forty" man. I loved the feel of the Sigs action, but my wife needs to be able to opperate the controls. I put the USP 45 in her hand and she did a full functions check without a sweat. In her words, "Thats not as bad as I thought!"

The .40cal USP disappointed me. The USP45 compact just didnt fit me but I think it is a great gun for the right hand. The Sig was so fun to shoot I want one, but it doesnt fit my current requirements for home defense and remote camping well enough to buy.

What clinched it was that my gun range had a sale on their USP's offering the four that they had new in the box to the public at their law enforcement prices. There was a new .45 fullsized HK USP45 for only $619. I bought it.


DISCLAIMER
I am no expert, just an ex-GI who likes to shoot pistols and believes that excercising my second ammendment rights is an important component of keeping them. I do not mean to rain on anyones pet gun here, just giving strictly my impressions after spending an afternoon with four of the best made pistols in the world.
 
Hi,
I have a USPc in .357SIG and absolutely love it! I love the size and ergonomics. Fits me like a glove. I also love the positive safety and decocker. I must say it took me some time to become familiar with the .357SIG as it is quite a little cartridge. It has quite a bit of noise and muzzle flash to it. But is also extremely accurate. I thought my 9mm was accurate but once I got the .357SIG under control it is another ballgame. And yes, I am speaking of fractions of an inch between my SIG p226 in 9mm and my HK USPc in .357SIG. Blows me away how accurate that pistol round is. Anyway, I bought the compact for the ergonomics and the functionality of the safety/decocker. If it fits you I don't think you can go wrong. It is also quite expensive, but then again, so am I...

Nash...
 
The only issue I know of is that they're great guns.

As far as I know the HE finish guns do not have stainless slides. Also, I believe the stainless slides were only discontinued for the full sized guns.

Shake
 
The HE finish is fantastic. I could not get use the the two-tone finish of the stainless models. To each his own! Plus, the stailess full size have been discontinued...still available in compact models ;)
As for USP quirks...extremely rugged, accurate, reliable. Can be a bit chunky, but you get use to it. If you want a USP, get one, shoot it & don't look back! :cool:
 
The Ohio State Police tests had the compacts significantly less reliable than the full sized. Of course, the same test had the Sig P220 and the Glock 30 fail to finish, while the Sigma 40 beat many other guns I KNOW are better. Figure that one out, I dare you.

If the USP fit my hands better, I'd have a shelf full of them in the safe.

Steve
 
buzz_knox

I´m carrying a USP .40 C as CCW. Very comfortable, ultra reliable (no stoppages with +/- 2.500 rounds), very accurate and "ugly" gun, but I like it.

I bought a second barrel (drop in from Barsto) in .357 Sig. Never had problems also (approx. 500 rounds).

Buying the USP (at the begining I was not very sure about it because I didn´t like "plastics guns) was one of my best handgun acquisition decision, and actually it´s one my favorite handgun among nineteen.

Welcome to the USP fan club and enjoy it, either you choose the .45 "and/or" .40/.357!!!.

ALP
 
Two things.

1. The slide on an HE finish is not stainless. I refinished an HE slide and it was definitely not stainless once the finish was taken off.

2. The compact uses a recoil spring plus a plastic bushing, instead of two recoil springs, like the full size. J.T. King's post makes it seem as is there is only a plastic bushing. The plastic bushing serves as the "second stage" if you will.
 
Stick with the Glock...

A very good friend of mine has the USP40f. I like the gun but it is to damn big for my taste, if not for price and size, I would buy H&K's instead of Glocks. The compacts are very nice and just about the right size but the price is rediculous. I bought my G23 to accompany my G30 and I haven't thought twice about it. I carry them both CCW and have never had a problem.
 
I have a USP40C. It is very reliable and quite accurate. In terms of size, its grip circumference feels smaller and thinner than Glock 19/23. However, the slide appears thicker and boxier than the Glocks.

I like the sight system better than that on the Glock. Its safety system is also more flexible as it allows DA/SA or cocked & locked.

On the down side, it has sharp checkering on the front strap. It is pricey and it does have high bore axis, resulting in a bit of muzzle flip as well as some twisting in the hands. Also, high cap mags are non-existent.

BTW, the gun was designed with the .40S&W in mind from the get-go and is very sturdily built.

Skorzeny
 
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