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Hi I got this gun from my father when he passed. We have no idea what make it is,or how old. It is a Black Powder shotgun,Percussion,has a 17 inch barrel.Might be 12 gauge but also could be 16 gauge? It has a little trap door on the side to keep things in. I can't find any markings exept for some numbers and letters stamped into the underside of the barrel. I can post some pictures if I can figure out how. Or someone can instruct me as to how to post on here. Thanks for any info.
 
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Can you post pics of the markings on the barrel? and maybe a full length pic. With a 17 inch barrel it was most likely cut down.
 
Here are the markings under the barrel
 

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any Ideas

I would really like to find a nice used black powder shotgun to shoot pheasants and rabbits with. Any suggestions as to where to look?
 
Definitely Belgian proofmarks. I have a Belgian rifle that was bored out to a smoothbore shotgun at some point. I had it relined by Hoyt in .50.
Measure the mouth of the barrel - see if it relates to the 16.3 stamp.

 
I would really like to find a nice used black powder shotgun to shoot pheasants and rabbits with. Any suggestions as to where to look?
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You can try gunbroker, gunsamerica etc. Might try going to different bp forums and asking around. Somebody somewhere will have one for sale. I bought this Pedersoli 12 gauge SXS off one of the other forums not too long ago.

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I'm pretty sure that the 18.8 stamp translates to 12 ga. (.74").
Can you remove the nipple?
It looks like the barrel's been cut down, and maybe the stock was shortened.
Oh yeah - have you checked to see if there's anything in the barrel? Powder, shot/ball, squirrel, etc.
 
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The Belgian proofmarks, back action lock, and finger groove tang identify it as an European musket or rifle musket that has been sawn off and reamed out for use as a single barrel shotgun. It may have been longer to start with and then sawn off again for handiness, the length in an old catalog with such things was 80 cm = 31 inches.
The stock may have been newly (then, not now) made, the cross keyed foreend, brass forend cap, and sliding patchbox are sporting gun features.
 
wow lots of info

OK so what type of percussion caps would be used on this gun? I havent tried to get the nipple out yet,I think I have to soak it in some WD first. If I brought it to a gun dealer would they be able to get this gun up and running as it is very sound in all aspects? I really want a black powder shotgun, so if anyone has any nfo on where to look let me know as well. And thanks to all of you guys for helping me out, Its alot more info than I had in the begining.Any Ideas of what it might be worth? Just for giggles.
 
i would say its a Calvary carbine..
might have been cut down ,?????
there are a number of these short carbines from England ,Spain and France in the museum up a Cody Wy . . At lest there was some years back.
the BILHARZ, HALL 1855 carbine was about that size
have you made sure its not loaded ?
i would check that first
 
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