Any heavy FMJ .38 special rounds out there?

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Mas recommends against using hollowpoints in .38 snubbies beecause based on his experience, they will not expand out of a short barrel. A number of members here on TFL have advised against using lead bullets as well because of build up. Therefore, the question is: Are there any companies that make heavy (158gr or close to it) FMJ .38 special ammo?
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Guess I am thinkin as old as I am. If a hollowpoint or hollow cavity bullet doesn't expand, seems to me that you still get a hole commensurate with the caliber used. Only reason I can think of to use FMJ would be to guarentee against expansion in soft tissue.

Sam
 
I think C.R. Sam has it right. I would use the lead hollowpoint, though, if I wanted a 158 gr bullet and then just clean the lead out if I shot it enough to make buildup a problem. I just use the most open 125 gr hollowpoint I can find, in +P if the gun will take it. As C.R. Sam said, it will at least make a .38 hole even if it fails to open up!
 
FUD, I have seen .38 Special ammo loaded with 200 grain jacketed RN bullets, which I was told was used by the Navy for shipboard duty, apparently on the theory that it was less penetrative than other loads. Don't recall who made it, but such a creature did at exist at one time, and maybe you can find some.
 
There was a 200 gr. lead RN that was available into the mid 1960's, if memory serves. It was called by Winchester a "Police" load, or something of that nature,I forget exactly what. I had some 200 gr. RN bullets a friend cast up, and loaded them up to duplicate that Winchester load. Recoil in an S&W Model 49 was not too bad, and the load was accurate. These were not in any way a Plus-P type load. I did not have a chronograph at the time, but I estimate the velocity was around 650 to 700 FPS.
Paul B.
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Stick with 158-gr. Federal Nyclads.

No leading problems.

I use the 125-gr. +Ps, myself.

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Was Mas talking about jacketed hollowpoints? The 158 gr +P lead hollowpoint has quite a good record for expansion even in 2" barrels. Go to www.ayoob.com and get the mailing address. Write him a letter asking for clarification. If you email you'll probably get his wife or daughter responding as Mas is not a big email user yet.
 
Disagree totaly.We did some expansion test on media with 38 snubbies and got very good consistant expansion with winchester silver tip 110 gr.I will believe my own testing because I was there.

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"Lead build up" is a factor only if you never clean your guns, or if you use dead-soft bullets and try to drive them at magnum velocities. Swedged lead bullets must be quite soft for the manufacturing process. If you purchase cast lead bullets, they are usually an alloy that can easily be driven to over 900 fps without problems. Yes, there is more fouling in the bore than with jacketed bullets, but it gives way to solvent, bronze brushes and/or tight-fitting patches. Then, there's the Lewis Lead Remover, marketed now by Outer's.

One of the primo .38 Special loads for snubbies is the "FBI Load," a 158 gr. non-jacketed lead SWC HP +P. It always seems to expand pretty well, even from the two-inch guns. Most people don't feed their little pocket revolvers a steady diet of this ammo, not enough for leading to be a problem.

If you want to hand load, Hornady sells a 180 gr. truncated cone bullet with thick jacket and minimal lead exposed at the front end. It is for metallic silhouette target shooting and not for expansion. I don't know if they were ever factory loaded, and if so, probably only in the .357 magnum cases.

If you don't want to clean barrels, the Remington 158 JHP and Federal Nyclad .38 Special loads are good. Pretty fair velocity, and no lead touches the bore. The 158 almost never expands in soft tissue, but you give that up with the FMJ anyway. Mr. Erwin's suggestion about the Federal Nyclad is a good one. I understand that the 125 Nyclad does expand, and is a good load in its own right.

One other source I know for heavier, jacketed, .38 bullets would be to acquire some of the British .380/2Z (.38 S&W, NOT special) loads, with a 174 FMJRN bullet, pull the bullets and load 'em yourself. They have thick jackets, which tend to yield higher pressures, so I wouldn't want to try for a load giving much over 750 or 800 fps. FN, Belgium, also sold a lot of these a few years back.

Best,
RR

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Remington # R38S9, .38 spec, 200gr LRN, 730fps from 6" model 19. Tested on car doors, messed up a little paint but did not penetrate regardless of angle. That load available off the shelf through the 70s.

Used to be able to get hot ammo off the shelf and the cars were tougher.

Uster shoot .38spec 158gr at little over 1200fps. Now if you buy a 125gr in that velocity range it will be labeled +P.

Sam...my favorite 9mm is the 9X32R
 
Back in the '60's the gunshop I went to got in some .38 spl. FMJ rds. He told me that they were from the Air Force. (?)

All I know is that when I went up to my uncle's ranch to try them out, I picked a salt trough to "capture" the bullet so I could see if it expanded.

Holy smoke! It went thru the salt, the 2" oak bottom of the trough and so far into the baked adobe under the trough that I couldn't even DIG it out.

Don't remember anything about how it felt. My gun was a surplus M10 Smith w/6" bbl and plastic stag grips so it was state of the art. Heh.

Musta been 1200 fps or so. Maybe more.

See another post for lead .38's
 
The "Air Force" round in the earlier post was probably 130 FMJ or MC (depending on the manufacturer) at about 950 fps from four inch M15 and is still available from Winchester USA (and maybe Federal American Eagle). It is a formidable little round at that velocity--it definitely penetrates (If you hit a bone, it should cause a major hurt).

My experience has been the 125 grain +P Golden Sabre absolutely does not expand my 442, the 125 grain, standard velocity Nyclad always expands (but penetration is marginal.

I do not shoot +Ps (and particularly the 158 grain ones) in my aluminum frame revolvers--it is a good way to cause a sudden catastrophic failure just when you don't need one.
 
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