any correctional officers here?

BountyHunter

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I was thinking of trying this career out any opinions or experiences would be helpful Thanks in advance,Chris

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I can't say that I am but my father is a Fed correctional officer. He's been there about 10 years now and really likes it. Get ready to put up with a lot of beauracratical BS if you're gonna work for the BOP though.

I'm sure out of 5000 members, someone here can give you some first hand experience.

Good luck!
 
I did it once when I first joined the Sheriff's Dept. It sucked then and from my friends who stayed in, it sucks now. Unless you can land yourself in a post requring less contact with the inmates/convicts, (training, firearms armorer/instructor, administrative, managerial), it can be really tedious. The money can be good (easily over $50k in CA Dept of Correction), but I'd rather do other work.
 
I worked for the Georgia D.O.C. at a work camp type prison. I ran an outside work detail. Not a bad job...if you like babysitting adults that act like 3 year olds.

I worked my way up to running a disciplinary detail, which meant that I got the idiots that didn't cooperate on the gravy details. I usually had 8 or so hard heads that wanted to cause trouble. A day's worth of cutting road right-of-way with bush axes and sling blades usually took the "buck" right out of them.
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Overall, I enjoyed corrections. However, I wouldn't be at all interested in going back into it. Also, I would never have taken a job working "inside". Heck, you might as well consider yourself imprisoned for the length of your shift. Jail ain't for me!



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R6...aka...Chris
 
I too am interested in hearing from some experienced CO's. I have just taken the test, been interviewd, and been offered a job as CO at a local County Correctional facility here in Pa.I will start May 8th.I also came out in the top 5 on the state civil service test for CO, I expect to hear from them soon as well.
 
Here's the long version. Bear with me, please...

In 1977 I needed a job. I was working construction by day and GI Billing my way towards a Psych degree at night. As you know,construction is weather driven, if it rains you don't work.

On the advice of a friend, I took the test. Scored 99th percentile,and started at the Md House of Correction Oct 5, 1977. Broke up two fights my first day, and did not know when I left if I'd come back in the next morning. I did, and that may have been a mistake.

The MD House of Corruption,uh,Correction, was a zoo. Inadequately staffed by largely incompetent thugs morally indistinguishable from the clientele, corruption was so rife that I spent as much time watching my co workers as the inmates. And, by and large I was by myself. Racism was rife,and I'm no bigot.So, the White bigots didn't do anything to help me and the Black bigots hated me on GPs.

I ducked through a couple of setups, took a a large amount of marijuana away from two inmates ahd had a contract on me for 100 packs,got stabbed,punched, bit and so on.

BTW, my usual post during my first year was on the West Wing, an area that a Federal Prison Inspector referred to in an official report as, "The innermost circle of Hell".

Somehow I held on, acquired a somewhat inflated reputation as a rumble artist, kept a knife in my boot, and was smoking two packs of cigarettes per shift.

After a couple more years, I made Sgt in near record time for a male,and transferred out, following a "Major Disturbance" which included another setup that damn near got me killed,wounded or taken hostage in 1981.

Then I stayed a Sgt for 6 years, scoring in the top 3 on the test, and running whatever they gave me with the dregs of officers that I was given. I trained EVERY rookie on shift, and if they had a modicum of brains, talent, or courage,I didn't see them much afterwards.

During this period, I also served as a firearms instructor, and was dropped when a Capt's squeeze wanted me to pencilwhip her score sheet so she wouldn't have to stand in the hot sun and shoot.I refused,and was off the instructor's roster in hours...

Made Lt in 89,and then stayed a Lt for over ten years. They promoted people that I had trained on their first day to Major while I stayed a Lt on midnight shift. I was told by one able Capt I should have been a Major under 15, but the Brass would promote a dead man before they'd promote me. To this day, I've trouble wondering why. I was honest, hard working and just plain good. Maybe that was the problem.

For the record,NO officer under my direct supervision needed any medical attention beyond first aid in all that time as a Sgt and Lt. This was in Medium and Maximum security institutions, including the Md House of Correction(Known as the Cut from all the stabbings) Patuxent Institution(Where Harris did his research for Silence of the Lambs) and MD Correctional Institution-Jessup.That;s a record.

At the end of 97, it came to a head between the brass and myself. There was a Capt who I had to wake up to report to, there was a bunch of homeboys who regarded me as a threat,and some trumped up charges were filed. As soon as my lawyer talked to them, the State settled out of court and I retired PDQ. A happier man never left Jessup.

Here's some facts, they might not have given you at the Academy.

The stress here cuts your life expectancy. Mine,according to the insurance folks, is 12 years less than it would have been.

Half of retirees from LE positions die within 5 years of retirment date. IOW, statistically speaking, my chances of living another 3 years are 50-50. I'm 53....

We hacks have the HIGHEST divorce rate in America.

We have the second highest suicide rate.

We have, on the average, twice as many coronary and heart problems as our peer groups.If you're on night shift, that doubles.

And, we see the worst people under the worst
circumstances. This has its effect. Walking up to me and slapping me on the back is not a good idea,and I tend to be armed to go get the mail.

If there's any questions, feel free to ask.

Dave, AKA

Lt B D McCracken, Md Dept of Public Safety and Correctional Services....
 
Thanks for the insight Dave. I live in Arkansas, based on that do you think the pay is worth it or should I just try something elese law enforcement related

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My bulldog was ran over by a car last week therefore I joined AUTOMOBILE CONTROL INC. those damn cars should be taken off the street
 
Thanks for the reminder Dave. I remembering figuring out that "classification" was largely responsible for the drugs in our jail, but nobody would listen. Years after I left they finally caught the "classification" deputy. Another bad aspect was how deputies would side with inmates on the basis of race. That was BS since we were suppose to be a team.

Custody work takes a lot out of you and working street patrol is in many ways easier. You arrest some a bozo on the street, but you don't have to live with that bozo like the poor folks in corrections. My hat's off to Correctional Officers.
 
BH, you're welcome. as to whether it's worth it....

Pay in Md is decent but not superior. Between 1989 and 97, raises totalled about 7%, while inflation/COL went 17%. Sometimes OT was mandatory, sometimes it was voluntary, and it helped out. But, more time on the job means less time off and mo' stress.

Entry level salary is around $29,000 I think.

COs are cops, working very tough neighborhoods,and oft overworked and underpaid. Prisons occupy a low place in Govt priorities. Every riot we got a raise, or a year when the Incumbent Governor was running for re-election...

Consider this, when was the last time you saw a CO portrayed positively in the media? EVERY CO on TV or in the periodicals and papers is a sadistic, racist, corrupt bully no better than the clientele.

Every honest, hard working CO has my respect, regardless of race, creed or color. But I'm an exception. Too many folks forget we all wear the same uniform and we all bleed red.

A coupla tips....

First, every minute you're on duty you're either building a good rep as an officer, or destroying it. Be fair, firm, impartial and consistent,and throw down when necessary, but only when necessary. Sometimes, your rep will make your job a lot easier to do. The best way to gauge a CO's performance is what doesn't happen when he/she is working, not what happens and doesn't get reported.

In the last couple years I worked, I had few incidents involving Use Of Force. The older cons walked big circles around me, and the chumps coming in kinda followed them. When one got a little obstreperous, I'd tell him to ask around the tier as to why the old guys weren't in my face. Saved a lot of time and trouble.

Also, after a few years,if you're good at this,the brass will supply the stress, not the cons. Cons are easy to deal with. Once they figure out it's not a good idea to $%^&* up when you're around, it get easier. Not easy, but easier.

Finally, and this can be hard for macho men to understand....

A CO who's scared all the time needs a different job. One that's never scared needs a new job RIGHT now. That CO is a powder keg waiting to go off and get COs hurt.

Good luck and God Bless to all good COs...

For stress, maintain all your positive relationships in the community and family. Drink little,if at all, and exercise frequently.

Keep up on your outside interests. My hobbies are hunting and fishing,good stress relief and fun to boot. Do the job, but don't let the job do you.

Also, and this means being unpopular sometimes, if an employee is dirty,snitch them out. Someone who can be bribed to bring in drugs can be bribed to bring in weapons. We found guns occasionally...
 
Bountyhunter,

I'm not one, but have friends who were/are. The ONLY benefits that I can think of over bounty hunting are:

1. Possible medical, etc benefits....although this did NOT help a friend much who had been beaten to a pulp by a pipe welding murderer in the jail.

2. Regular pay. As opposed to getting paid for collection of the number of heads that you bring in that skipped bail.

3. If you like to spend most of your time in jail with a bunch of criminals than what you do now.

In jail or prison, you are forbidden to carry weapons at your job as a jail/prison guard. ONLY prisoners are permitted by administration to carry deadly weapons. If you are fortune enough to be given permission to carry pepper spray, just remember that a prisoner with a steel yard long bar in hand, off of exercise equiptment, can kill you faster than you can yank that pepper spray off of your belt or scream for help.

My advise and that of others who've been there done that and care about people....LOOK FOR ANOTHER "PROFESSION"!

Just some friendly advice from a fellow man for RKBA.

robert

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I certainly wouldn't look at corrections as a CAREER like you said. But I WOULD do it if there was only a required 1 year stint in order to be a sheriff's deputy or something else along those lines. NEVER as a career though.

My Corrections professor has worked for the Ga DOC for 25 years, and he started at the bottom and worked his way up to some paper-pushing position ... after 25 years. If you consider pushing paper a promotion, then you might like it. It's got a terribly high burn-out rate though... I'm sure it's got it for a reason too. Guess it all depends on where you work.

Ben

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I work in Privatized Corrections -- just stating the obvious -- the money is much better at state-run facilities (our boss is in it for the money, so we get what's left over; not much!).

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BountyHunter: (Long post)
I mostly lurk here but would like to reply to your inquiry.I have been a Colo State CO for over three years, working with committed, high risk juveniles that are predominately gang related and "hardened in the system." A known fact is that the police that arrest
them and drop them at our facility are shocked to learn that we have only a single staff covering between 12 to 30 of these guys with NO type of weapons available. We use only verbal commands and open hand physical force for control. Not one police officer I have ever spoken with have said they would work in such a place. They would rather take their chances on the street than deal with them in a controlled environment.
Although we don't have all the problems of the adult system, we have our share, such as several staff assaults lately. Needless to say, DaveMcC definitely laid out the life of a CO in the adult system. I know people in the adult system and have an idea what goes on there as well. Our staff turnover is at an alarming rate. I would guess there have been at least twenty to thirty employees leave for various reasons since I have been working. One guy lasted only a single shift. You will take an enormous amount of verbal abuse, and then some more. I have been called more in the last three years than I ever heard in my 8 1/2 years in the military.
If you join the ranks, I'd say start in a Diagnostic unit if possible. This is where inmates are assed and graded as to where they will do their time. Thay have much at stake if they act out. This will let you sample the waters before taking the plunge.

**My philosophy : (based on my experience)
1)Your not a CO until you do at least a year. 2)You will get punked,played,disrespected,
tricked,humiliated and maybe embarrassed like nothing ever in your life.
3)They(inmates) will go to all lengths to exploit your weakness I.E. racial comments, accusing you of ??, siding with others against you, name calling, ect.
4)You got to have "thick skin."
5)If you have a quick temper, can't stand "losing face", or have an ego- Quit now!!
6)No matter what, stay consistent with all inmates. Side with or show favoritism and it will come back to haunt you.
7)Despite all the corruption around you, stay fair and honest. you might regret it at times, but you will definitely feel good about yourself and have less stress in the long run.
8)Even though its so much easier, DON'T "look the other way".
9) Its easier to work with those locked up than it is with the administration.
10)The administration is much more concerned about politics than they are with you or your concerns- Believe it.
In closing, I wish you a safe and rewarding career if you so choose it. You should look on the internet job databases for job pay fluctuations varying from state to state. I am originally from Texas, but would NOT be a CO due to low wages- Its not worth it for me...Certain states pay well for what we do, some seem to pay less than what convenient store clerks make.
At what cost would you balance the enormous stress versus your well being??
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gunhound:
If you join the ranks, I'd say start in a Diagnostic unit if possible. This is where inmates are assed and graded as to where they will do their time

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Hee hee -- I think you meant "assessed." Although, at my facility (for juvenile sex offenders), your term is probably more accurate.
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Seriously, though, your ten points are absolutely dead on. Anyone considering this line of work should be REQUIRED to read them. In fact, I'm gonna print them up and take them to work with me right now, and hang them in the break room.

Great post!

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I've been doing it now for nearly ten years, both state and federal. There have been some really excellent contributions, especially by Dave McC and Gunhound. I really can't add anything to what they said other than observing that some systems and individual institutions do the job right, but most don't. You will detect the difference immediately between a well managed institution and a poorly managed one. If the inmates are disrespectful to the officers and each other, if the joint looks like just another public housing project, you will know that that prison, or prison system is affflicted with cowardly management. It doesn't have to be that way though.

I'll have to agree with Hounddog concerning the Illinois DOC. From the little that I know of them, they create well run prisons. It's just too bad that in Illinois the only people allowed to carry guns are cops and thugs.

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Thanks for everyones comments,I wish you all well I will let you know whats comes about

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