I was just wondering if anyone had come across a problem I once did.
At one time I moved into a new apartment in a decent part of town. The rent wasn't the cheapest, but the price of living in the bad part of town would have easily made up for any money saved in rent. Like most rental property, a lease, credit check, and a variety of other documents were required.
Among the papers to be signed was a list of "house rules". There were many items listed and each had to be initialed. Many of the rules were simple things like not playing loud music and not taking glass containers to the swimming pool. One item though, was particularily disturbing. It read something like "this property is a weapons free zone, the tenant agrees to not use, own, possess, etc. any firearms or weapons, etc." I immediately asked the manager about this policy. She told me a lot of people asked her about that and that there were some police officers residing in the complex who also asked about it. I politely told her how I felt about it and that it such a rule would violate the U.S. and State constitutions. I refused to sign that part and informed her I would be crossing that section out. I told her the only thing I would agree to is obeying the current state laws. She didn't argue about it at all. She was just the manager. The complex was owned by some company based in another state. I wonder how many people living there skimmed through the documents and just pencil whipped everything not knowing what they were agreeing too.
Many will say to just sign it and don't tell anyone you really have firearms. I saw a serious problem. What about when the bug sprayer or maintenance guy comes around? Or when some nutty neighbor who happens to know about the rules (and likes them) sees a rifle case moved from the car to an apartment? Or what if there is a necessity to use firearms in a defensive situation there?
There was a message posted by someone else about problems with rules in homeowners' associations. Could the same thing happen with those agreements?
I figured such rules in a lease agreement were not lawful or constitutional, but then again, neither are some of the laws (this is why the NRA's idea of "enforcing the laws on the books" is nothing but a bunch of chicken excrement).
Has anyone else seen these kinds of things in lease agreements or home owners agreements? Any ideas?
At one time I moved into a new apartment in a decent part of town. The rent wasn't the cheapest, but the price of living in the bad part of town would have easily made up for any money saved in rent. Like most rental property, a lease, credit check, and a variety of other documents were required.
Among the papers to be signed was a list of "house rules". There were many items listed and each had to be initialed. Many of the rules were simple things like not playing loud music and not taking glass containers to the swimming pool. One item though, was particularily disturbing. It read something like "this property is a weapons free zone, the tenant agrees to not use, own, possess, etc. any firearms or weapons, etc." I immediately asked the manager about this policy. She told me a lot of people asked her about that and that there were some police officers residing in the complex who also asked about it. I politely told her how I felt about it and that it such a rule would violate the U.S. and State constitutions. I refused to sign that part and informed her I would be crossing that section out. I told her the only thing I would agree to is obeying the current state laws. She didn't argue about it at all. She was just the manager. The complex was owned by some company based in another state. I wonder how many people living there skimmed through the documents and just pencil whipped everything not knowing what they were agreeing too.
Many will say to just sign it and don't tell anyone you really have firearms. I saw a serious problem. What about when the bug sprayer or maintenance guy comes around? Or when some nutty neighbor who happens to know about the rules (and likes them) sees a rifle case moved from the car to an apartment? Or what if there is a necessity to use firearms in a defensive situation there?
There was a message posted by someone else about problems with rules in homeowners' associations. Could the same thing happen with those agreements?
I figured such rules in a lease agreement were not lawful or constitutional, but then again, neither are some of the laws (this is why the NRA's idea of "enforcing the laws on the books" is nothing but a bunch of chicken excrement).
Has anyone else seen these kinds of things in lease agreements or home owners agreements? Any ideas?
