Anti-Ashcroft group...This will make you sick

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This makes me want to grab these people and ask them what country do they really want to live in. I realize it is their right, but the strong socialist fervor here is frightning.....I mean, if they could, they will claim that Ashcroft was riding in the Ryder truck with Timothy McVeigh if they thought it might stick....

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york011001.shtml
National Review
1/10/01 10:40 a.m.
Inside the Anti-Ashcroft War Room
They’re vowing to make this one bigger than Bork.

Inside the Anti-Ashcroft War Room
They're vowing to make this one bigger than Bork.

By Byron York, NR's White House correspondent

"We are here this morning to announce the formation of an extraordinary and unprecedented nationwide campaign of coalitions representing over 200 national organizations to oppose the nomination of John Ashcroft to be the attorney general of the United States," said Wade Henderson, head of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, at a news conference in Washington Tuesday.

He wasn't kidding. For the gathering, Henderson and his allies assembled representatives from nearly every liberal interest group in the country. But the public announcement was just a photo-op; the real work took place after the cameras stopped rolling, when Henderson and dozens of fellow activists held a secret meeting to plan their anti-Ashcroft campaign. From eyewitness accounts of that meeting, along with confidential documents distributed to participants, it's possible to sketch the outlines of a strategy that is indeed extraordinary - and which might make the Ashcroft confirmation the most contentious ever.

The gathering was held at the headquarters of the American Association of University Women, a tax-exempt charitable organization that bills itself as non-partisan and dedicated to advancing "education, research, and self-development for women." About 80 people packed a conference room, crowding around a large table, against the walls, and lining out the door. Among those taking part were representatives from People for the American Way, the NAACP, the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, the National Organization for Women, the National Abortion Rights Action League, Feminist Majority, the Human Rights Campaign, the AFL-CIO, the American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Workers, the National Education Association, Handgun Control, the American Association of University Women, the National Black Women's Health Project, Planned Parenthood, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy, the Sierra Club, the American Bar Association, the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, and the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. Also present were staffers from leading Senate Democrats, as well as the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.

According to people who were present, there was a nearly palpable sense of urgency and opportunity in the room. Several participants observed that the project was the biggest since the successful campaign to derail the Supreme Court nomination of Robert Bork. The group took little notice of other troubled Bush nominees, even on the day that Linda Chavez withdrew her name from consideration as labor secretary-designate. Ashcroft is the big one, they said, and we've got to make this a concerted effort.

The most important issue, of course, was an assessment of votes in the Senate. Organizers passed out a confidential draft of an "Ashcroft Target List" which divided the Senate into five categories: those definitely opposed to Ashcroft, those leaning against him, the undecided, those leaning for Ashcroft, and those definitely for him. Every Democrat except two was listed as against or leaning against Ashcroft (the two Democratic undecideds were Georgia's Zell Miller and Nebraska's Ben Nelson, both newly elected). What raised the hopes of many in the room was the fact that five Republicans - Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, and James Jeffords of Vermont - were listed as undecided. They were said to be "in play" and will be the targets of especially intense lobbying.

But how to do it? There was a debate over whether to press for immediate confirmation hearings or wait a few weeks to allow the controversy to build. Eleanor Smeal of Feminist Majority suggested a delaying tactic that would give the groups time to gather more information and momentum, but most other participants seemed to favor early hearings. They were especially anxious for the hearings to begin next week so that Vermont Democrat Patrick Leahy, who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee until January 20, would preside. (They didn't know it at the time, but they had already gotten their wish; not long after the meeting, the temporarily-Democratic Senate Judiciary Committee announced the Ashcroft hearings will begin next Tuesday.)

To get things going, and to make sure that effort is not duplicated, the meeting leaders established a set of committees, each of which was assigned to handle a specific task. They created a lobbying committee, a media committee, a research committee, and several others. The NAACP, which has already done extensive research on Ashcroft, was chosen to concentrate on his opposition to the nomination of black judge Ronnie White. The AFL-CIO will comb through a list of Ashcroft's travel while he was a senator, apparently in search of visits to "far-right" organizations. NARAL will focus on Ashcroft's record on women's issues. People for the American Way will help coordinate it all.

And the effort will go far beyond Ashcroft's time in the Senate. According to witnesses, the group spent a significant part of its time discussing Ashcroft's home-state record. The activists, says a person who was there, "are going back to every case that happened in Missouri during his tenure as attorney general and governor, every case he was in any way connected to."

As reported by NRO on Monday, the group is receiving help from veterans of the late Mel Carnahan's bitter race against Ashcroft last year. Many of the charges that are now being directed against Ashcroft were issues in that race, and the Carnahan forces were known to hold a particularly passionate animosity toward Ashcroft, which makes them good friends of the interest groups. "The Carnahan campaign has been so generous," one organizer said. But others stressed that Jean Carnahan, the governor's widow who is now senator from Missouri, plans to keep a low profile in the controversy and will not openly associate herself with the anti-Ashcroft movement - even as her supporters play an active role in it.

Because of the intensely political nature of the battle, some participants expressed concern about their groups' participation - after all, many of them are tax-exempt, supposedly non-partisan 501(c)(3) organizations. "A lot of you have asked me, because you're foundations and non-profits, what you can and cannot do," one organizer told the crowd. The group had an expert on hand to reassure the activists that there are ways to tailor their roles in the stop-Ashcroft movement to make them appear completely within the law. Many foundations, for example, list their mission as conducting "research" for whatever cause they espouse - and what is the Ashcroft campaign if not "research" into an issue of great public importance?

As the meeting dragged on, an overall strategy began to emerge. As they have in so many previous fights, the advocacy groups decided to adopt the theme that Ashcroft is "extreme" - even "extreme among extremists," as one said. "This is a man whose record you've heard is so extreme, so out of the mainstream, that it would be incredibly irresponsible for any of us, any one of our organizations, not to step forward and fight against this nomination," Kate Michelman of NARAL said at the groups' news conference. Added Mike Barnes of Handgun Control: "Mr. Ashcroft apparently believes in the so-called insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment. This is the same extremist theory subscribed to by Timothy McVeigh and so-called militia groups."

While that might seem silly were it not in so serious a context, it is no doubt just a preview of what is to come. And what is striking about the anti-Ashcroft effort is the sheer imbalance of the fight. There is no pro-Ashcroft coalition, and there is no conservative group with the clout and resources to match the biggest organizations aligned against the attorney general-designate. Unless George W. Bush decides to devote his full strength to pushing the nomination through the Senate, John Ashcroft might find himself all alone against overwhelming firepower.
 
Geez, the US Communist/Socialist party had a meeting, invited the press and forgot to tell everyone else. Too bad I missed it!
 
Added Mike Barnes of Handgun Control: "Mr. Ashcroft apparently believes in the so-called insurrectionist interpretation of the Second Amendment. This is the same extremist theory subscribed to by Timothy McVeigh and so-called militia groups."
Hmmm ... interesting comment. I've been studying the RKBA pretty hard for some time now, and I've never heard of this 'insurrectionist interpretation'. I see the debate of collective rights versus individual rights, but ... insurrectionist? I have to assume he simply means the concept that the RKBA provides some benefits in discouraging governmental tyranny. I know that American liberals think we could never suffer from despotism, but I regard that perspective as naive.

Anyone else have a better idea of what this whacko is thinking of?

This will apparently be a major test of GW cojones. I was disappointed he didn't do more to support Chavez.

I do hope GW has the cojones to stand behind Ashcroft. If not, then I suppose it no longer matters who occupies the oval office ... we're operating under mob rule. And, a fascist / socialist mob at that.

Regards from AZ
 
Chavez probably would have been supported except that she lied to the Bush team about the woman and tried to get a neighbor to shut up about it. That was the hidden reason for Bush just letting her go. Bad form on her part because her actions were justifiable.
 
EnochGale, that's what I gather as well. It makes no sense that she'd lose that appointment because of her actions. OTOH, if the facts are different than what she related, or if she tampered with her neighbor's testimony then I can see the problem.

I simply thought that if it were me, I wouldn't even remember such an incident, nor would I conceive of it being an issue.

Our society has reached a point where there are so many laws, every one of us is a lawbreaker. And so, the same is true in these political affairs ... easy to trash someone as breaking one law or another - you just have to dig deeply enough. And, liberals apparently have no scruples left. Anyone who doesn't realize we're at war with these people hasn't been paying attention.

Regards from AZ
 
I expect Bush will roll over on this one

He hasn't shown any gumption yet.

Wow, can you imagine 200 'conservative' groups coming together like this to oppose a pinko?

Also interesting that 5 Repub Senators are undecided. Surely, we are our own worst enemy.
 
"The insurrectionist" is the concept that the 2nd amendment was designed to protect the people by allowing them the ability to overthrow a tyranical goverment. The term is currently being used to color the issue making Pro-gunners sound like they want to overthrow a CURRENT goverment.
 
Ashcroft Editorial from St. Paul Pioneer Press

Saw this today. I will post my letter I wrote to the author:
Glenda
Holste
Editorial writer


Ashcroft nomination hits every hot button, but he deserves attorney general post
President-elect George W. Bush, who looked to his right to pick an attorney general, might be wishing about now that he had heeded the traffic to his left before stepping out in the road.
While it is unlikely Bush will be run over by the opponents of John Ashcroft, a former U.S. senator, Missouri governor and attorney general, Bush can be forgiven in this case for his deer-in-the-headlights demeanor. The glare is formidable.

Confirmation politics surrounding Ashcroft are a pot-hole pocked, divided highway that makes the Janet Reno era seem safe and smooth.

Guns. Abortion. Race. States' rights. Civil rights. The Civil War. Affirmative action. The death penalty. Religion. Low tolerance for judicial activism from the center and left. High tolerance for amending the Constitution for socially conservative causes.

Yes, sir, with the Ashcroft nomination, Bush has given the Senate fine opportunities to infuriate almost everyone. The social conservative spin doctors are complaining that the lefties are persecuting Ashcroft because he is a religious man with socially conservative values. The lefties are complaining that Ashcroft smells of racism, sexism, homophobia, interest in doing mischief with judicial appointments, hostility to civil rights, a cozy relationship with gun nuts and God knows what else.

Yes, sir, all the hot buttons of modern politics will merge into the Washington fast-lane next week as Ashcroft's nomination hearings take place. But at the end of the interest-group theatrics, Ashcroft should be confirmed unless there is evidence that he lied about harboring undocumented domestic workers or otherwise is less than an upright officer of the court.

The demise of the Linda Chavez nomination for labor secretary helps anti-conservative groups consolidate their opposition and focus on Ashcroft and Gale Norton, the free market, property rights interior secretary-designate.

Maybe Bush and his helpmate, Dick Cheney, underestimated the furor that would surround Ashcroft. They did have to choose an attorney general who would reflect conservative legal values and they did need to make the social conservatives in the Republican base happy. So they have accomplished that goal with a nominee known as an honest man with more than sufficient credentials to head the Justice Department.

It is an important job with sway over many aspects of American life: the U.S. attorneys, the FBI and federal marshals, prisons, immigration law, drug enforcement. Ashcroft, a former state auditor, a former Missouri AG, a former governor and a former senator, with a law degree from the University of Chicago and a bachelor's degree from Yale University, is unassailable on qualifications. There is no evidence that he would be as shady as Ed Meese or outright crooked as John Mitchell. There is no evidence that Ashcroft could or would run Justice any way beyond what Bush and Cheney see as the limits of the portfolio.

The icing on the cake is that as a former senator, Ashcroft will get a grilling but is almost bulletproof. In 1989, the Senate declined to confirm a clubbie, John Tower, to head the Defense Department, but Tower's personally sleazy conduct was his own undoing. Ashcroft's enemies apparently have no such personal trash with which to work.

Because Ashcroft is a standard-bearer for the far right doesn't disqualify him. The questions when the Senate Judiciary Committee hears testimony on his nomination next week should go to whether Ashcroft can enforce the laws of the land, including the many with which he personally is at odds.

If the answer of enough senators to thwart filibuster is ``yes,'' then President Bush will get what he asked for -- and is accountable for.

If they pretend the civil-rights division of Justice doesn't exist, as President Ronald Reagan's guys did, then Bush is accountable. If they pretend there is no antitrust law, then they are accountable. And if they support the gun lobby's every ugly demand, they are accountable.

The Senate's job is to examine the Ashcroft nomination fairly and not succumb to culture warfare. Our job is to watch what the Bush administration does and judge it fairly.



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Write Holste at gholste@pioneerpress.com or at the Pioneer Press, 345 Cedar St., St. Paul MN 55101.
 
My Reply to Glenda Holste.

Dear Ms. Holste,

I agree with you that John Ashcroft should be confirmed as the Attorney General of the United States. I do understand that his ideology does not appeal to all Americans, but niether did Janet Reno's ideology appeal to all Americans. I think you understand that. I respect you for publicly stating that though you and others may not agree with him, your difference in ideology is no reason to believe that he is not qualified for the job.

I disagree with many of your written opinions, however, I respect your right to freely express those opinions. What I don't respect is your negative labeling of those who don't agree with you. I own and use firearms for legal purposes. I have that right under the Second Ammendment of the Bill of Rights contained in the Constitution of the United States. I do not submit to the belief that this is a collective right. I have read the federalist papers as well as the rest of the constitution and you really have to twist and stretch to accept that the founding fathers only wanted to protect the states ability to have armed groups of citizens.

In your editorial, you referred to me and those who think like me as "gun nuts". You also state that Ashcroft should be held accountable if he gives into all of the demands of the "gun lobby". The gun lobby, whatever that is, has one major demand, that the law of the land, the second ammendment, should not be twisted and distorted for political purposes. It is the anti gun lobby who keeps making demands that we limit gun ownership by lawful citizens, in violation of our rights protected by, not granted by, the Second Ammendment.

What about the pro choice crowd who believe that the constitution protects a woman's right to have an abortion (I don't see abortion mentioned anywhere in the Bill of Rights). Should we refer to them as "abortion nuts". Are they part of the "abortion lobby" which constantly demands that the right to have an abortion should be protected by our justice department and other government agencies? If the shoe fits, Ms. Holste,.....

Sincerely and Respectfully,
 
Folks like Holste don't mind if Presidents and Attorney Generals support the anti-gun lobby's every ugly demand ...

Regards from AZ
 
A comment or two about the head of Handgun Control, Mike Barnes.

Barnes is an ex-US, Democratic Congressman from Maryland in the 1980s. His supposed area of expertise was foreign affairs, and he could be counted on to project his mug on every talking head program like Meet the Press, etc. Barnes was of the extreme left wing view that if there was a problem with foreign affairs, then the United States must be at fault. The old "blame America first" crowd.

Anyway, this high priest of foreign affairs got ambushed one day during a run-up for the elections by a Baltimore TV station. The ambush was that they asked Barnes five simple foreign affairs questions. Tough stuff like, "who is the Prime Minister of Israel"?

Barnes could only answer two out of five question. He became a laughing stock overnight. Now this is the same idiot who I think HCI is paying about $400,000 a year.

I saw Barnes in hardware store one weekend some years ago. It looks like he was in his golfing togs. He was wearing plaid slacks and a plaid shirt that where completely missed-matched. He may of thought he was natty dresser. I thought he looked like a circus clown. :D
 
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