Ans so it begins for Illinois

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kmw1954

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New Gov. for the state and the bills will start flowing. Sorry but it looks like the voters have gotten just what they wanted. This will effect me as the range I shoot at is 25 min. into Illinois. The poor guy just bought up this old shop that has been there since the 1970's. The range is old, outdated but still very serviceable and my wife enjoys going there. This is so old it still has the hand cranks for the targets! Present owner has been there less than 2 years and has really done a lot with this business.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-gun-dealers-on-thursday/ar-BBSlDTC?ocid=iehp
 
The folks who wrote this apparently didn't consider that they are stressing one of the few small businesses a guy in Rural IL might be able to make a dollar at, still won't get rich. Not only that, but it means that folks just needing an FFL transfer will have to drive...how far??? Because you can't do that at Walmart.

And as a guy who shoots airguns as well as firearms, the fact that even airguns over .18 require the whole FFL transfer/background check yada yada makes me crazy.

Illinois is a good state to leave, before all that is left is predators and prey.

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“We allow schools, and movie theaters, hospitals, neighborhoods to become battlefields — legally accessible by the weapons of war,” he said. “Our abdication of responsibility must end.”
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I find it astonishing we allow people who make statements like this to hold public office...
 
Illinois never ceases to amaze me, . . . . and not in a good way.

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet.
--The Beatles
 
kmw1954 said:
New Gov. for the state and the bills will start flowing. Sorry but it looks like the voters have gotten just what they wanted. This will effect me as the range I shoot at is 25 min. into Illinois. The poor guy just bought up this old shop that has been there since the 1970's. The range is old, outdated but still very serviceable and my wife enjoys going there. This is so old it still has the hand cranks for the targets! Present owner has been there less than 2 years and has really done a lot with this business.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-gun-dealers-on-thursday/ar-BBSlDTC?ocid=iehp
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So that range is also a FFL?
 
USNRRet93, yes it is. The new owner has brought in many new and used guns, both rifles and pistols. He has also taken over another small storefront that he is using as a classroom.

Now I can think of 8 others within an hour or so. Five of them are newer, within the past 3 years and 3 of them are smaller that do not have ranges to offer one is new this year.

I don't know why but I keep getting the feeling that we are on the loosing side of this discussion and it's scary. Like we are going to end up like the smokers did.
 
The kitchen table FFL I bought my last 3 guns from is now out of the gun selling business. I think he's moving to Wisconsin, he sees the writing on the wall. The bill is having its intended effect and it hasn't even been made law yet.
 
I do believe the original story was taken from the Chicago Tribune.

Talking with my wife about this she has just informed me that the shop that we had been using to do firearms transfers has just recently closed. Now to find another new one.
 
So, security cameras, anti-theft systems, annual employee training and an electronic inventory system, ALONG with another level of license and fees, these claimed to only cost FFL dealers $1500.
And this is going to reduce murder how??
 
Same way a $2.00 a pack cigarette tax stopped people from smoking. Want to bet that money goes into the General Fund! That will help Illinois figure out how to pay their state pensions.
 
I haven't heard whether the $1500 license fee is final and the same for all dealers; whether it is an annual, recurring or one-time fee. Also, what defines an "anti-theft" system? And can an "electronic inventory" be a simple spreadsheet with the guns listed on it, or is there something special that is required?

I don't see any crime reduction here either, other than fewer guns stolen from poorly run shops. It looks more like the govern-mafia getting their cut of the action.
 
Politics as usual. It won't do a darn thing except hurt gun stores. Criminals will still buy their guns illegally or steal them. Law-abiding citizens will have a harder time buying guns. Stupid anti-gunners will be happy despite the fact that the new law won't do a darn thing to the murder rate.
 
I haven't heard whether the $1500 license fee is final and the same for all dealers; whether it is an annual, recurring or one-time fee.
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My take from the linked article is that the state license fee is $300 (which is what they say they are going to charge FFL dealers who do not have a storefront), and that the cost of the "upgrades" required for those that have a shop will be approx. $1500 (cameras, anti theft system -what ever that is?, etc)

SO, assuming their estimate is correct (and I doubt that) a shop would need to spend $1500 in "security upgrades", ( and remember that whatever you get has to be approved by the state) ALONG with the cost of the new state license, in order to comply with the new law.

Also, while one would expect that the cost of additional security items would be a one time expense, it MIGHT not be. It's not impossible that a year or three down the road, the state might decide that your cameras and alarms no longer meet their requirements, and you'll have to replace them with new, approved equipment. That "$1500" or what ever it actually costs MIGHT become a recurring expense, at the whim of the bureaucracy. And/or they could just raise the license fee...

Also, there is the ever present risk that due to a "budget crisis" the state might (temporarily, of course) defund the processing of license applications and renewals. No license, no doing business. Win Win for the anti's.
 
littlebikerider said:
It looks more like the govern-mafia getting their cut of the action.
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No, it's designed to drive FFLs out of business and it's already having that effect. This is a money loser for the state, which has no money to begin with.
 
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