Another Zero Tolerance idiocy

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This one might bite back -- go Mary!
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/00/01/st010503.html

Track pistol affair called nightmare

The suspension of an 8-year-old in Powell Butte angers his mother and raises questions about a school's responsibility

Wednesday, January 5, 2000

By Gordon Gregory, Correspondent, The Oregonian

POWELL BUTTE -- Mary Jentzen says the Crook County School District left common sense behind when it suspended her 8-year-old son after he was caught playing with a track starter pistol he found at school.

"People need to know how out of control this has gotten," said Jentzen, owner of a sign business in Redmond. "It's a nightmare."
Gary Peterson, superintendent of the Crook County School District, concedes the district may have overreacted. But he said that in the wake of the shootings at Thurston and Columbine high schools, it is difficult to gauge how to deal with incidents involving anything that resembles a weapon. "Today, there's a pretty fine line between handling this appropriately and overreacting," he said.

Last year the Legislature passed new laws that require any student taking a weapon on a campus to be arrested, detained and brought before a judge before being released. School districts also are required to create policies to deal quickly with children who threaten other children. That could include immediate removal from class and psychological evaluation.

Peterson said that although neither law seems to directly apply to the Powell Butte case, the new mandates reflect the environment that schools operate in today.
"We're moving, probably pretty quickly, toward not much tolerance about these kinds of things," he said.

The episode that led to Bryce Jentzen's and another boy's suspension happened Dec. 3 at Powell Butte Elementary School during an after-school program run by the Crook County Parks and Recreation District.

Peterson said Bryce Jentzen and another third-grader went into a storage room to look for some toys and found two starter pistols in an unlocked basket.

Starter pistols are used to start track and cross country events. They are made to shoot blanks but could cause serious injury if fired directly at someone from close range.
Peterson said the day-care attendant walked in and found the boys playing with the pistols. He said one of the pistols may have been loaded. The boys may have pointed the pistols at the attendant, he said, but put them down when asked to do so.

The following Monday, Dec. 6, the boys were called into the principal's office and questioned about the incident. The next day, the boys' parents were told the two were suspended and would have to undergo psychological evaluation before they would be allowed to return to school.

One of the boys underwent the evaluation and was allowed to return. But Jentzen said she refused. She hired a lawyer and notified the district of her intention to fight the suspension.

Jentzen said although her son should not have played with the pistol, the school was partly to blame for leaving the guns unlocked in a room children were allowed to enter. She said the school district should be looking into its own policies and practices if officials think starter pistols are weapons.

"I just don't get it. They want to expel him, but they don't want to take any responsibility," she said.

Peterson agrees that the pistols should have been locked up. He said they have been stored in the same location for many years and used about once a year.

The district canceled an expulsion hearing set for Tuesday, and Mary Jentzen was told Monday night that her son could return, although the district is still considering some form of disciplinary action.

Jentzen said she does not want her son labeled as a gun-toting kid. "What I most want is for his record to be cleared," she said.

Jentzen said she would not return her son to Crook County schools because she no longer trusted the judgment of district officials. Her son is now enrolled in a private Christian school.

Her attorney, Max Merrill of Bend, said the district came to see that it was on shaky legal ground partly because these particular starter pistols cannot be defined as firearms under the law, and because the district left them within easy access to children. "They know they couldn't make it stick," he said.
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"psychological evaluation" ??? He a curious kid for Chrissake!

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I agree with her, its the schools fault for leaving it in there. They probably thought it was a play gun or something. I think she has a good lawsuit here.

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Many learning institutions are going overboard. I was taking a refresher First Responder course and was threatened with expulsion because I had a small lockback knife in my "1st Responder holster kit" that I used for the class. It contains shears "can cut zippers and coins" flashlight, knife, spring loaded center punch, "open car windows :)" couple of 4X4s, pen, gloves, airway. It was in my locked breifcase when the instructor asked if anyone had a knife he could borrow.
 
School administrators are, as a class of people, the most namby-pamby, pusillanimous group of "professionals" on earth. If they had the testosterone and brains to be doing something else for a living, they would.

I'd think that the school will incur some civil liability for its reaction to the incident, and to the trauma caused by the incident, due to their leaving the starter pistols easily accessible to the kids.
 
Isn't there a legal concept known as "Attractive Nuisance" wherein leaving some dangerous piece of equipment where young children can find it and possibly be harmed grounds for prosecution or legal action?

In my line of work we are advised that if we leave power machinery or sharp tools unlocked we could be sued if a child finds them and is injured, even if the child opens a door to our truck to get at the tools.

Seems to me that the school created an "Attractive Nuisance" leaving the pistols unsecured in an area accessible to students. The school officials should be expelled, not the children.

Geoff Ross
 
Good for the mother for yanking her kids out of the Government schools. A good outcome for the kid results from idiotic action by the Government school officials.

JimR
 
If the children would have recieved any training in the use of firearms it allso would not have happened.The school is at fault but playing with any firearm shows the value of firearm training for children.This should be taught in school like it was in the 30s
Bob
 
It was only about 13 years ago that I used to bring my starter pistol to school and goof around with it on school grounds...no hassles...no suspensions or psychological evaluations. Things are changing QUICKLY!
 
Why dont they sue the school for improper storage and supervision of weapons? If the schools kicks them out on a weapons violation - it only seems fair. They school needs to stand up and take this on the chin.
Leaving pistols about for any 8 year old to find is not responsible enough to have them in the first place. Students that is.
Sue the school, the administrators and the faculty member normaly in charge of that area.

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This is the last year my child will be in publik skool.
For 4th grade she will be enrolled in a private Christian School.
I have had to practically home school her to make up for what she is not being taught in skool.
She is halfway through 3rd grade, and has yet to be taught grammer or multiplication.
 
For reference, this is worse that Soviet public schools. In fact, [good] US public schools (i.e. in posh suburbs like the one I attended though I did not live there) only catch up and overlap what the Soviet schools taught by 10-11th grade. Math taught in 9th grade was on par with 5th back in the uSSR.

However...US schools provide great deal of resources for self-study if the student is willing and able to use those. All in all, an argument for homeschooling that I can't ingnore.
 
I graduated from a catholic grammer school in
1962---38 years ago. I went to a public high school. In my freshman year, I took algerbra
1 and was very supprised to find that I already knew the entire course having been taught that in 7th grade. In my sophmore year,I took algerbra 2,and again found out that I had been taught the first half of that course in 8th grade. In my junior year, I took geometery and again found out that I had been taught about 70% of the course in 8th grade.

This illistrates for you how far
ahead of public school and how much better
is a private school education; and this was 38 years ago!

Now days, I would recommend to parents , a private school with home schooling to counter the government brain washing of our childern and teaching firearms safety and marksmanship starting at age 10, by a qualified NRA instructor. Also, teach the Constitution of the United States, the first 10 ammendments;
it is not taught in schools any more.

We need to teach our childern to become pro gun , pro rights, politicians, so as to take back control of our run away government from the socialist crooks-- er, ah, - politicians.

Schooling really does start at home , but it is ashame that parents need to work so had to earn a living that they have no time for their childern.

I would rather be poorer and take the time to properly raise and school my childern
than to work like a fool for money that devalues faster that I can earn it.

Proper upbringing is a better gift than being left money later in life.
Without the proper upbringing, most childern would only blow the money on foolish
junk any ways.

Teach your childern how to live and how to cope and deal with what life throws at them properly.
Help them find a job or profession that they enjoy and will be happy doing and that pays well.

My mother always wanted me to be a doctor or a lawyer. I could have been either,
if I had only wanted to; but I had some stupid damned fool idea that I wanted to be
an electronic techniction.

And I was, for about 10 years ,until I decieded to move on to some thing I liked better and finally ended up a gun dealer
in my old age!

I should have listened-- well, I did "listen--"
but I should have done what Mom wanted and become a lawyer; but alls well that ends well!
If I had become a lawyer, I could have been a pro-gun politician and maybe we would not be
so far down the slipery slope now.

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This is the same scenario as the boy who found the shell casing left by police from an exercise on School owned property. The kid finds an empty casing, takes it to school, and is repremanded, and it's the school system, AND the LEO using the facilities who screwed up!

By the way, there SHOULD be zero tolerance. The administrator of the school, and whoever was accountable for the gun should be suspended immediately, without pay. And they should undergo psychiatric evals also.
And exactly like the school trqgedies, the starter pistol should be in the school safe where, it's safe!! Anything less is unacceptable.


The wrong person was targeted (sorry) here.

Best Regards,
Don

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited January 06, 2000).]
 
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