I got around to taking my Kel-Tec P-11 back to the shop the other day. I wanted to have it sent back to Kel-Tec for service. I previously used 400 grit sandpaper on the feedramp and have not had any failures to feed in over 300 rounds. After polishing the ramp I put 100 rounds of Remington UMC through the gun with no problems. On my next trip to the range I put another 100 rounds of UMC ($5.96 a box at Wal-Mart) through the gun. I had 1 failure to extract on about the 80th round and at around 90 or so rounds the take down pin attempted to pop out. I wasn't very concerned about the FTE but I was concerned about the pin and this is what prompted me to take the gun back to the dealer. So the dealer proceeded to tell me that I had really messed up by greasing a semiauto. I knew that I had put too much grease on the gun, but I didn't know that you should not use grease on a semiauto at all. I decided to use the grease after reading some info I found on the Kel-Tec and Golden Loki sites. I also have greased my P-32 with no problems. The dealer stated that all of my problems had probably been caused by the grease. He disassembled the gun and proceeded to clean and lubricate it with FP-10 which he recommended for future use. He recommended only using synthetic lubricants in the future. He told me to try the gun again and he'd send it back for me if there were any problems. He also said that in his experience the P-11's that he has sold have been very reliable. Well, today I took the gun out and put another 100 rounds of UMC through it. I had one failure to extract at about 80 rounds. No problems otherwise. The takedown pin stayed tight. I only checked it twice today at about 40 and 50 rounds respectively (It only came out this one time in 500 rounds). So my questions are, Did I screw up by greasing this gun? Should I not grease it in the future? Could this have caused the takedown pin to come out? Has anyone heard of FP-10? and finally, What do you think of two Failures to extract in 300 rounds? I tend to think it is ammo related (cheap UMC ball both happened at about 80 rounds), but would like to hear if others find this acceptable performance. Thanks for any info.
Another P-11 Range Report & a couple of questions
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Walt Sherrill
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Sounds like your dealer is trying to sell synthetic lubricants. <g>
Light grease is OK, but probably unnecessary. Synthetic lubricants or even synthetic brake pad lub is OK, too. In hot environments it probably works better than oil, but we're straining at gnats, here, as most any lubricant will work fine. It didn't cause the take-down pin to come out.
Of all the things you described, the only thing I'd be concerned about is the take-down pin sliding out. This has been a common problem in recent production P-11s; call the factory and get a replacement pin. (Something was apparently out of spec on a number of production runs.)
Its a good, solid gun. I never could get the accuracy I wanted with mine, under pressure, but that was me -- not the gun. (Mine was VERY accurate when punching paper.)
Practice a lot, get a Hogue Handall grip wrap, and a factory trigger shoe, and you'll be very happy with the results. Maybe look at the mag extension, too.
The guys and gals on the Golden Loki and KTOG websites know a helluva lot more about the P-11 than your dealer. Listen to them.
Light grease is OK, but probably unnecessary. Synthetic lubricants or even synthetic brake pad lub is OK, too. In hot environments it probably works better than oil, but we're straining at gnats, here, as most any lubricant will work fine. It didn't cause the take-down pin to come out.
Of all the things you described, the only thing I'd be concerned about is the take-down pin sliding out. This has been a common problem in recent production P-11s; call the factory and get a replacement pin. (Something was apparently out of spec on a number of production runs.)
Its a good, solid gun. I never could get the accuracy I wanted with mine, under pressure, but that was me -- not the gun. (Mine was VERY accurate when punching paper.)
Practice a lot, get a Hogue Handall grip wrap, and a factory trigger shoe, and you'll be very happy with the results. Maybe look at the mag extension, too.
The guys and gals on the Golden Loki and KTOG websites know a helluva lot more about the P-11 than your dealer. Listen to them.
The failure to extract can be caused by limpwristing and I noticed you said they occurred around 80 rounds. Perhaps after shooting for awhile & the P-11's stiff trigger, you may have loosened your grip on one shot or maybe your hand was a bit tired & gotten the FTE. I would think this was a likely cause.
I lightly grease the slide rails and hammer slide interface on my P-11 & P-32. The assembly pin on some P-11s have been known to come out. It happened to mine. I called KT and they sent me 3 new ones. Sometimes the spring that holds it in needs to be adjusted too (it is called a spring but it looks like a bent pin).
I lightly grease the slide rails and hammer slide interface on my P-11 & P-32. The assembly pin on some P-11s have been known to come out. It happened to mine. I called KT and they sent me 3 new ones. Sometimes the spring that holds it in needs to be adjusted too (it is called a spring but it looks like a bent pin).
I agree,your dealer is just plain wrong. I`ve been using a very light application of grease on the rails and hammer interface of my P-11 for the last 5200rds. or so and it`s still as tight today as when I bought it and rock solid reliable. I dunno why Keltec changed the takedown pins to a new design,the old one was problem free. 
Also you may want to try some other brands of ammo,the cheap stuuf is great for practice but may not be quite as reliable as the more expensive stuff. I just had the first jam with my Keltec a few months ago with Winchester 100rd/$10.95 whitebox ammo. Sure it was filthy dirty at the time but still after 5000+rds. without a jam it suprised the heck out of me. Marcus
Also you may want to try some other brands of ammo,the cheap stuuf is great for practice but may not be quite as reliable as the more expensive stuff. I just had the first jam with my Keltec a few months ago with Winchester 100rd/$10.95 whitebox ammo. Sure it was filthy dirty at the time but still after 5000+rds. without a jam it suprised the heck out of me. MarcusThanks for the responses. I'll call Kel-Tec on Monday and get a new pin. Overall I'm pretty happy with my P-11, and I love my P-32. I'll try some better ammo in the gun soon to see if I get any FTE. I agree that the FTE might have been from limpwristing. I've not had any failures with this gun on the first box of ammo. They've all happened on the second box. This is true even before I polished the feed ramp. Also, I agree that the KTOG and Golden Loki sites are great sources of info. I'll probably continue to use the FP-10 for now. I bought a bottle for $6.44. It's easier to use (less messy) than the grease, and doesn't seem to attract dirt and pocket lint like the grease.
Walt Sherrill
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Glamdring:
Hogue makes the slip-on grip, as does Pearce and a few other suppliers.
Its just a heavy rubber slip on grip enhancer. (Heat it in boiling water before trying to pull it on.)
It has finger grooves/notches on the front. It doesn't increase grip size much, but gives a better gripping surface. Its especially good for guns like the P-11, the Ruger poly series, and the Glock, which have grips that can seem "slick" at times.
They sell for $7-$9. Hogue probably has it on their website, but most gun shops will have them, too.
Hogue makes the slip-on grip, as does Pearce and a few other suppliers.
Its just a heavy rubber slip on grip enhancer. (Heat it in boiling water before trying to pull it on.)
It has finger grooves/notches on the front. It doesn't increase grip size much, but gives a better gripping surface. Its especially good for guns like the P-11, the Ruger poly series, and the Glock, which have grips that can seem "slick" at times.
They sell for $7-$9. Hogue probably has it on their website, but most gun shops will have them, too.
I placed a call to Kel-Tec today to get another takedown pin. I spoke with a gunsmith (a male whose name I didn't get). He asked how many rounds I had fired through the gun and what my serial number was. I told him that I had fired 500 rounds through the gun and the pin had popped out once. He stated that this problem had been fixed by my serial number range and that this had probably been a fluke caused by either my not putting the pin in all the way or maybe by some dirt or grit. I probably should have questioned further, but I left it at that. I did ask if I should have a extra pin sent anyway and he responded that he didn't think I needed one. I probably should have had one sent anyway, but for now I'll take his word for it. He said that I should be able to pull the pin out using a finger nail using mild force.
alaska1993
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I'm generally a person who likes to try new products. One thing I've found however, is that you can never go wrong with Hoppes #9 for cleaning followed by gun oil for lube. I know there is lots more hi-tech stuff on the market but I have never, ever had a problem when sticking to this trusted old combo. Shhhh...don't tell, but I even use them on my military weapons. 
BTW, my P-32 runs great on plain ole gun oil.
BTW, my P-32 runs great on plain ole gun oil.