Another one for the women -- but serious

M

mrsMTN

New member
Okay, I am going to drop a bomb here, step back and see what you think. I know that Bush is a favorite candidate because of his stand on gun ownership, and that is something we need, but....
Governor Bush appointed William Reynolds Archer as Commissioner of the Texas Department of Health. Archer was quoted as saying, "We have to have men who are responsible for their women... letting women have contraception gives them too much power."
Another likely appointee to high office is one of his personal advisors, Marvin Olasky, who has said, "God does not forbid women to be leaders in society, generally speaking, but when that occurs it is usually because of the abdication of men... I would vote for a woman for the presidency in some cases, but again there is a certain shame attached... God's word says very plainly that an elder is to be a man."
Now, I would like a president who favors an armed populace, but...
Makes you think.
 
Hmmm... interesting. So Bush appointed some good old boys with some neanderthal ideas... At least these guys dont give cigars to interns.
 
Oh for ..... two possible wackos out of how many people he appointed.

So a couple of his appointees have strange ideas. Better good ol boys than some of the wierdos Clinton has appointed.

Sounds like more leftist "Borking" to me.


Geoff Ross

------------------
One reason to vote in the next Presidential election.

It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!
 
I don't doubt you for a minute, ma'am. And I have been known to question Gov. Bush in a number of areas. But, as you seem to imply, such comments seem stupid beyond belief!

Do you happen to have a source for those comments? No offense meant, but if the source turns out to be Al Gore I'd be relieved! :D
 
Olasky is a Prof. of journalism at U. of Texas. Very sharp guy. Neandrathal does not fit. If you would like to read some of his writing you can read it at worldmag.com. where he is senior editor.
http://www.worldmag.com/world/home.asp

------------------
Alexander Solzhenitzyn:
"Freedom is given to the human conditionally, in the assumption of his constant religious responsibility."

[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited July 28, 2000).]
 
I'm sorry that I don't have the original source. They were quoted in a letter to the editor by a respected citizen in our local newspaper. I can usually spot a made up, or "doctored" quote, but these don't sound that way.
 
I hit the wrong thing. This was suppose to be with the post above.
"I might add that World magazine is a friend of the gun folks."



[This message has been edited by Keiller TN (edited July 28, 2000).]
 
Thanks for the tip, msrMTN.
These quotes could be real or they could have been liberal-fabricated. Either way wouldn't surprise me. However, that kind of attitude is exactly why I never have nor do I ever intend to vote for (either) Bush. He is not the only pro-RKBA candidate.
Also, if they're true, I guess some guys would dismiss them as unimportant "compared to (fill in the blank)that Clinton did/said", but that's exactly why the GOP loses so many (intelligent) women's votes, not just those of the proverbial "air head" or "soccer mom."

A lot of people assume that the pro-RKBA draw soley from the GOP and that every vote for a Libertarian candidate takes a vote away from Bush. Sorry, but it just ain't so.
Guess I'd better put on a flame-retardant suit for this, but I voted for Clinton in '92. Didn't and wouldn't do it again (in '96 or ever), but I just couldn't stand Bush. Good information for those still trying to decide (if they're true), but I'm voting for Harry.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So Bush appointed some good old boys with some neanderthal ideas... [/quote]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>So a couple of his appointees have strange ideas. Better good ol boys than...[/quote]

I believe that it's OK for a woman to hold office if there are no obligations at home (i.e. children and husband) for her to fulfill. A woman's God-given responsibility is to her husband and children, not to an employer or the taxpayers.

I caution everyone to not be so quick to label a person with unpopular beliefs like this. Remember, all of us who support RKBA, freedom, anti-statism, patriotism, and the like, have beliefs that are quite unpopular right now. I realize that not everyone is going to see eye-to-eye with me on this, but does it make me a "Neanderthal"? If the answer is yes, then I must say "guilty as charged". But, also if it is yes, I am mighty disappointed in y'all.

------------------
Pray as though it's all up to God, act as though it's all up to you.

Aim small- miss small...

If it isna Scottish, it's CRAP! RKBA!
 
Personally, I wouldn't read too much into this, even if true. Ain't a man alive who can force me to do anything.

Look, we know what His Billness and Algore want and it has fractured this country because they pushed too hard and fast. We (women) are over 50% of the population; ain't no one no where no way who can push us back 100 yrs ever again. And if you even remotely fear that, then you have only coasted on the backs of others....and you believe equality and personal freedom is given to you by a benevolent master.

As free Americans and humans, male or female, we stand on our own feet and do not ever ask for permission.

------------------
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
I agree with Jedi Oomodo. Women can and should do whatever they want *after* caring for their primary responsibilities of hearth and home.

Also, there's validity in the quote at the top about men abdicating their responsibilities. Many have. Not to denigrate the women who stepped into leadership positions, but to give the guys a kick that they were wrong.

The feminist movement has backfired. Guys have become (or been told to become) more tender, more communicative, more sensitive, etc., and in all the effort expended to do this, we've lost too much of the skills of good masculine leadership. Not authoritarianism, leadership. Perfection is a delicate balance ;), but right now I think the grand social pendulum is too far over on the 'sensitive' side right now.

--Denise
mom of 5 in Utah
former feminist
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mrsMTN:
God's word says very plainly that an elder is to be a man."[/quote]

Mr Olasky is mis-quoting God's word. No where in the New Testament does it say that a woman can't hold a leadership role in secular govt, it only refers to positions of authority w/in the NT church.




------------------
---------------
"Pray as if your life depends on God, Prepare as if it all depends on you..." -Texas Preacher

Liberty or death, what we so proudly hail... DON'T TREAD ON ME!!-Metallica

"Many's the men who've battled foe
many the number slain,
many the lads have fallen though
Scotland shall rise again."
 
There are fools on both sides of the fence. I've heard worse things come out of them both. FWIW, though, the bible can also be construed as saying that no believer belongs in secular goverment, so the "home and hearth" thing really doesn't hold much for me.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>There are fools on both sides of the fence. I've heard worse things come out of them both. FWIW, though, the bible can also be construed as saying that no believer belongs in secular goverment, so the "home and hearth" thing really doesn't hold much for me. [/quote]

But are the ones construing it to say that being honest in their interpretation? Does one person misapplying a verse, invalidate that verse? (This is one of my beefs with the Ms magazine feminist crowd)

------------------
Pray as though it's all up to God, act as though it's all up to you.

Aim small- miss small...

If it isna Scottish, it's CRAP! RKBA!
 
I am please to note that most of my friends are married to independent spouses. That means neither men nor women rely on the other 100%, though cooperation levels are high. In about half of the households, the women are primary defenders and/or breadwinners. I think trying to make them go back to the kitchen would be met with 00 buck.
 
Several reactions...

1) what George Hill said, at least these Neanderthals aren't passing out cigars to interns.

2) I sincerely hope that Mr. Olasky was aware that God's instructions regarding leadership within the church simply don't apply to leadership within a secular government. However Olasky shares with all theonomists and reconstructionists a peculiarly twisted view of government.

3) Dunno who Mr. Archer is, but I sincerely hope the contents of the ellipses in the quote you posted would put him in a better light. "Letting women have contraception gives them too much power." ??!!? Wonder what the context of that one was.

4) I'll still vote for Bush; better he than the evil, gun bashing Algore.

5) I'll also pray hard. God promises to give wisdom to those who ask it of Him; perhaps we can encourage God to give Bush more wisdom in his choice of advisors. :)

6) It's more likely that Gore and his people will ban all handguns during the next four years, than it is that Bush and his people will ban contraception and make us all go back to being barefoot and pregnant.

:D Come to think of it, Clinton did his best to make plenty of women pregnant, though we don't know how he feels about footwear!

pax



------------------
"Is there anything wrong with a woman preferring the dignity of an armed citizen? I don't like to be coddled and I don't like to be treated like a minor child. So I waive immunity and claim my right -- I go armed." -- Longcourt Phyllis in Beyond This Horizon by Robert Heinlein
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top